Says a lot too about the deep state psyop supporting her. Purely vicious, absolute contempt for the American people, there is no upper limit to their depravity
I saw two things. Moderators that clearly rig the debate to show Harris as a star and Trump as a loser. And yes Trump as he often does walks right into the trap and becomes ensnared by his enemies. And I saw a very unintelligent woman fully thinking she's smart and Cluster B abound.
Sadly this does not bode well for the election. If the race is as tight as claimed Harris will be the winner either by actual electoral college or more likely cheating. And our country will descend into more of a third world shit hole.
What I saw in that debate were 2 people as different as night and day (& Trump wasn't one of them).
I don't know how much, or what the level of coaching here was, but what I saw was a facsimile completely at odds with the person we've known her to be over the last 20 years.
It was stark.
If they had to so heavily rein in her natural character and responses to this degree, I can only imagine every public appearance will be as scripted and as false as this was, and no different to Biden's teleprompter term, just with better reading comprehension skills.
She'll be controlled and driven by people we never see, and possibly even MORE compliant and willing to capitulate to every demand, because she has to know deep down that she's wholly inadequate to take this on.
In a world of A's, B's, and C's - she's a 'B' and she knows it, stepping into a role where we've never more desperately needed an 'A'.
Getting joy out of someone else’s pain, pain that you caused yourself on purpose, is probably the most evil thing I can think of.
I’m the debate I saw a machine. The choreography designed to make Trump dance. Like any psychopath can do so easily. And we saw him dance. Kamala and her flying monkeys in full force. Fully knowing that nothing would harm her, that his defensiveness would be seen as a weakness.
Anyone who has ever been manipulated into the wild red rage you describe in your essay, will get this. I have been there in a screaming match, I broke things, fully manipulated by my ex… so he could turn around with a smirk stating: “See I told you, you are the problem. Your anger is the problem. You are the bad one.”
And, well did he smirk. Nothing made him happier than me losing my cool.
Exactly. I felt sorry for Trump. She stood back like the queen bee while her underlings pummeled her opponent. If Trump had not held back as much, we’d be talking about how “mean” Trump was to the poor lady. The woman is always the victim or the victor.
Have you read “People of the Lie” by Dr. Scott Peck? “People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these people of the lie work in the lives of those around them.”
I’m sorry you feel this way, Josh, but I think it’s important to acknowledge that if we don’t talk about his faults, then they will never be addressed. I think it goes unsaid (exp in this forum) that she’s an evil/wicked B but we can never influence that change. I’m in this for no other reason than to win.
It is what victim’s of narcissistic abuse always hear. That their reaction is worse than the actual incident that made them react in the first place. It is often falsely labeled as “reactive abuse” and often leads victims to feel they are bad people and makes it harder for them to seek help.
"Reactive abuse" is such a misleading term. "Defensive abuse" isn't much better. We need an accurate descriptor for a victim's response to narcissistic abuse - which often occurs only after many, many incidents of same.
I think I was married to your ex’s twin! He pretty much destroyed me! His goal was to get me locked up or killed… It’s been 24 years and I’m still recovering… but God is good and He’s seeing me through it.
Look at men in public. Every single one is treated to some version of this by a woman he loves. He has to not overreact. Be sweet. Be gentle. Accede everything.
What's going to happen when the backlash comes? Our young men already won't marry. They are killing themselves at a record rate.
Good men? They hate your ex. We would protect you if we could. But you CHOSE these men, and we never understand why you can't see ahead and avoid them.
Wicked men are doing what they always done and that's murder and control. But now, we have foolish women choosing them almost every time.
Did we quit teaching our girls? Is it inborn gullibility? Why aren't they suspicious? My wife wasn't until a few men abandoned her after using her.
This is a common tactic of women used on husbands all over the world every day and brushed aside like nothing.
I'm sorry you're getting it too.
We have to also not get mad, soften up, oblige and be tender with our women. We are totally responsible for our and HER actions. We are supposed to be the adult.
I learned about 3 years into my marriage, "NOT GONNA HAPPEN, WOMAN." I never acceded but I did get provoked dozens of more times before my wife cheated and left after 26 years. Guess what? I took her back. God compelled me to forgive her. She's 55 and just now can admit her faults and the places where I picked her up or back up. Age 55 and she's finally a full adult.
She is actually a nice woman and now also an honest woman. I love her. But that whole arrangement is evil and I'm even going to say, satanic.
Via odd timing and being forcibly red-pilled since the age of four, I have (out of need for survival) an unfiltered mind which makes me hyper-aware of people, places, events, sounds, smells and all in an 8 mm camera-like Brain which (again, out of necessity) has been both a blessing and a nuisance. I see things. I read things. I say things. Things “come to me”. I would never put myself in the category of making “predictions”. An inner sense or “feeling” which I can hear/see in my mind via words flows through me and I respond. No mulling over. Just a thought and voilà! The thought becomes a sentence or comment. Yes - I normally veer towards the negative zeitgeist simply because our world is BROKEN and has been in this state for hundreds of years. Notice that I have not mentioned DJT at all. That is because even IF Harris does not win, it won’t make the political playground any more palatable or “good”. Find an intelligent person who is sinless or blameless and vote for that person if such a person can be found. We know the truth to this. That is the state of our fallen world. My goal is to SURVIVE.
As much as Trump took her bait he did something very wise. He refused to look at her, to watch her antics. This election is about substance vs holography.
It made Harris look like a supplicant who cared too much about what Trump thought of her. President Trump faced forward, directly speaking to the voters, while Cackles sniped from the sidelines with inauthentic, choreographed, sneers (which her handlers had made her practice in the mirror for hours until her face was sore.)
Josh, first class commentary. You have nailed this. Anyone with experience of Toxic Femininity (I have some, and can see manipulators coming from a mile away) will recognize what you say.
I don't know if you are aware of the academic recreations of the 2016 debates, but you HAVE to see them, it is wild. Anne Coulter explains and gives references here. I had never heard of this before. Highly recommended viewing. The voter reaction to the debate may not be what conventional wisdom says. The actual recreations were videotaped and you can find them on Youtube:
Fascinating. How differently we perceive language when it isn't first coloured in with preconceived bias.
Jonathan Gordon comes across as smarmy and slimy, and Brenda King comes across as, yes, unpolished, but also earnest and sincere (open enough to state that as a businesswoman, of course she's going to take advantage of Jonathan Gordon & predecessors tax laws. Why wouldn't she).
Very interesting (& thanks for posting, I hadn't seen it before).
This was a great example of human psychology and the damage that can be done using misrepresentation by a corrupt Press, and the power it has to malign election outcomes.
Kamala was making faces, but she looked like a kid in a mirror who was practicing.
It reminds me of one of those reality show soundtracks. My wife’s parents were watching some reality show years ago, it was The Bachelor of something like that.
I couldn’t stop laughing at the background music, because it didn’t line up at all with what was going on. People on the show would be discussing things and all of a sudden there was this random cymbal crescendo!
Cymbal crescendos normally line up with a moment of suspense, but there was no suspense. It was just all over the place, like some kid who just realized how to use yarn mallets on a cymbal.
That’s what Kamala’s facial expressions reminded me think of. She looks like a kid practicing in the mirror.
Throwing a barrage of strange looks at the audience, in the hopes that one of them would be viewed, and correspond with some situation.
But then I thought, maybe there’s more to it. Of course her cues were designed to anger Trump, but maybe there was even more there.
Perhaps the entire point was to distract from what Trump was saying. The media is going to use every strange face that she makes and turn it into a stroke of genius, like the NYT did. However, for viewers it was very distracting.
Remember the debate with Paul Ryan and Joe Biden? It was truly bizarre. Biden kept laughing to the point where it seemed that something was actually wrong with him.
It was like someone was performing tickle torture on him with feathers to the feet.
Nobody could pay attention to what was being said during the debate -- because Biden was laughing constantly and at inopportune times.
I am very sorry to hear that your wife has been so tragically hurt by the Medical Mafia! I am so sorry! I will delete my insensitive comment. I will pray for both you and your wife! Also, thank you for sharing your story! I knew that a few classically-trained rock stars (I actually took voice lessons from an opera singer for one year - grueling - I still remember those vocal exercises) had “issues” (ahem) with atrophied vocal cords (let’s just call it cancer) whose careers “suddenly” ended within the last year (Jon BonJovi, to name one). Annie Wilson from Heart, another. God had blessed them with a precious gift and then... careers are over. BECAUSE SUDDENLY. Like overnight.
Again, I am so sorry to hear that this was done to your wife. 😢
You put your finger directly on the button here and it's what we have seen in everyone of these "elites and rulers", that smugly and condescendingly smirk at you and say, "you don't know what your talking about, only I know and define the truth, not you".
You saw it in every bureaucrat in the 3 letter fiefdoms, during the scamdemic and you are seeing it more and more, in those around you.
I would posit that many, in that half you mentioned, many are just smaller versions of the old evil old crone, offering their own poison apples. They see in harris, all they hope and aspire to be and are fully aware.
It may be that our elite "betters" are becoming more and more a reflection of the psychopaths and sadists that C. S. Lewis describes as operating the "N.I.C.E." in That Hideous Strength. Spoiler: at the center of that tyrannical organization, known only to the inner circle, was a reanimated severed head, controlled by a demon...
I had tuned in for the event but couldn't bear watching after 20 minutes. She is evil incarnate, and your post nails it. Incidentally, take a look at the REAL presidential wannabe, struggling to appear believable on a small local news network: https://youtu.be/gFdV25Vx_DI?si=USQSc1upH0h4O3lO
Most of my family don't like that I don't like or trust Trump. But I recognize he's not like the other side. For most of them that's not good enough. You HAVE to be on the Train! lol.
At about that same time stamp I said, "He can be an idiot but he's being ganged up on and she is fake, and this is a stupid waste of time."
I voted 4th party in 2016. Trump in '20. And will vote for him again. But is this the best grade of people we can find?
I thought that her smirks were intended to say to her Democratic audience: “You and I are friends who are in together on how crazy dis foo is. Can you believe these antics? I’m your cool liberal aunt who has gay friends.” Leftists love to mutually masturbate to what good people they are in their perfect clique.
100%. How women do not see this is beyond me. She is toxic, hates men and comes off, in addition to an alcoholic, borderline or hystrionic - I grew up with one, so this behavior is quite familliar. I also think she was HEAVILY medicated during the debate.
Harris is as toxic as they come. I watched the whole thing, tho many say they couldnt/wouldn't. I endured all her little "whatever they were". It made me sick. (I often wonder how sick that person is who married her.)
Trump was aware. He knew. I thought I could see the steel control he was exercising. He pulled it off. SHE LOST!
(Thanks for sharing your story as an example of the sick evil that exists out there.)
Says a lot too about the deep state psyop supporting her. Purely vicious, absolute contempt for the American people, there is no upper limit to their depravity
Right on Josh. Thank you for expressing these truths. The Snow White analogy is priceless!
I saw two things. Moderators that clearly rig the debate to show Harris as a star and Trump as a loser. And yes Trump as he often does walks right into the trap and becomes ensnared by his enemies. And I saw a very unintelligent woman fully thinking she's smart and Cluster B abound.
Sadly this does not bode well for the election. If the race is as tight as claimed Harris will be the winner either by actual electoral college or more likely cheating. And our country will descend into more of a third world shit hole.
What I saw in that debate were 2 people as different as night and day (& Trump wasn't one of them).
I don't know how much, or what the level of coaching here was, but what I saw was a facsimile completely at odds with the person we've known her to be over the last 20 years.
It was stark.
If they had to so heavily rein in her natural character and responses to this degree, I can only imagine every public appearance will be as scripted and as false as this was, and no different to Biden's teleprompter term, just with better reading comprehension skills.
She'll be controlled and driven by people we never see, and possibly even MORE compliant and willing to capitulate to every demand, because she has to know deep down that she's wholly inadequate to take this on.
In a world of A's, B's, and C's - she's a 'B' and she knows it, stepping into a role where we've never more desperately needed an 'A'.
Getting joy out of someone else’s pain, pain that you caused yourself on purpose, is probably the most evil thing I can think of.
I’m the debate I saw a machine. The choreography designed to make Trump dance. Like any psychopath can do so easily. And we saw him dance. Kamala and her flying monkeys in full force. Fully knowing that nothing would harm her, that his defensiveness would be seen as a weakness.
Anyone who has ever been manipulated into the wild red rage you describe in your essay, will get this. I have been there in a screaming match, I broke things, fully manipulated by my ex… so he could turn around with a smirk stating: “See I told you, you are the problem. Your anger is the problem. You are the bad one.”
And, well did he smirk. Nothing made him happier than me losing my cool.
Concur. I was disappointed that he took the bait a few too many times. That’s definitely one of his weaknesses.
It frustrates me how much more commentary there is about his reaction to being bullied than there is commentary about her wicked bullying.
Exactly. I felt sorry for Trump. She stood back like the queen bee while her underlings pummeled her opponent. If Trump had not held back as much, we’d be talking about how “mean” Trump was to the poor lady. The woman is always the victim or the victor.
Have you read “People of the Lie” by Dr. Scott Peck? “People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these people of the lie work in the lives of those around them.”
One of the top 5 books I have read. Dr. Peck’s deserves much respect and study.
I’m sorry you feel this way, Josh, but I think it’s important to acknowledge that if we don’t talk about his faults, then they will never be addressed. I think it goes unsaid (exp in this forum) that she’s an evil/wicked B but we can never influence that change. I’m in this for no other reason than to win.
Is ANYONE surprised? This was the entire motive of the debate! They always are.
I didn’t see him take the bate, he exposed her and made he true colors come out!
I've enjoyed the reaction to the debate as well.
Especially how her campaign got sample questions beforehand.
Then of course there was the earrings.
It is what victim’s of narcissistic abuse always hear. That their reaction is worse than the actual incident that made them react in the first place. It is often falsely labeled as “reactive abuse” and often leads victims to feel they are bad people and makes it harder for them to seek help.
So, every woman on earth? This is an everyday thing. It's deeply embedded and taught by older women.
I don't think they are narcissists. I think they use the same tactics often and then suffer for it later.
"Reactive abuse" is such a misleading term. "Defensive abuse" isn't much better. We need an accurate descriptor for a victim's response to narcissistic abuse - which often occurs only after many, many incidents of same.
She knew that! And used it!
"Kamala and her flying monkeys"
We need a hero with a bucket of water to end this nightmare.
I’m melllttttiiinngg!!!
I think I was married to your ex’s twin! He pretty much destroyed me! His goal was to get me locked up or killed… It’s been 24 years and I’m still recovering… but God is good and He’s seeing me through it.
Look at men in public. Every single one is treated to some version of this by a woman he loves. He has to not overreact. Be sweet. Be gentle. Accede everything.
What's going to happen when the backlash comes? Our young men already won't marry. They are killing themselves at a record rate.
Good men? They hate your ex. We would protect you if we could. But you CHOSE these men, and we never understand why you can't see ahead and avoid them.
Wicked men are doing what they always done and that's murder and control. But now, we have foolish women choosing them almost every time.
Did we quit teaching our girls? Is it inborn gullibility? Why aren't they suspicious? My wife wasn't until a few men abandoned her after using her.
This is a common tactic of women used on husbands all over the world every day and brushed aside like nothing.
I'm sorry you're getting it too.
We have to also not get mad, soften up, oblige and be tender with our women. We are totally responsible for our and HER actions. We are supposed to be the adult.
I learned about 3 years into my marriage, "NOT GONNA HAPPEN, WOMAN." I never acceded but I did get provoked dozens of more times before my wife cheated and left after 26 years. Guess what? I took her back. God compelled me to forgive her. She's 55 and just now can admit her faults and the places where I picked her up or back up. Age 55 and she's finally a full adult.
She is actually a nice woman and now also an honest woman. I love her. But that whole arrangement is evil and I'm even going to say, satanic.
Harris will not win.
I pray you're right.
Let’s just say I have some “gifts”. It actually just came to me.
Oh, I pray you are correct.
I have a 99.99% accuracy rate. I am keeping score due to my NASTY relatives.
You predict things but usually only bad things?
LOL.
I do that. My wife and son hate it.
I hope you're right and think you probably are but am not convinced near like you are.
And I dislike Trump as a person.
Via odd timing and being forcibly red-pilled since the age of four, I have (out of need for survival) an unfiltered mind which makes me hyper-aware of people, places, events, sounds, smells and all in an 8 mm camera-like Brain which (again, out of necessity) has been both a blessing and a nuisance. I see things. I read things. I say things. Things “come to me”. I would never put myself in the category of making “predictions”. An inner sense or “feeling” which I can hear/see in my mind via words flows through me and I respond. No mulling over. Just a thought and voilà! The thought becomes a sentence or comment. Yes - I normally veer towards the negative zeitgeist simply because our world is BROKEN and has been in this state for hundreds of years. Notice that I have not mentioned DJT at all. That is because even IF Harris does not win, it won’t make the political playground any more palatable or “good”. Find an intelligent person who is sinless or blameless and vote for that person if such a person can be found. We know the truth to this. That is the state of our fallen world. My goal is to SURVIVE.
Yes, I am a part of that “Please don’t talk about (whatever)” CLUB, too! Welcome to Fight Club.
Interesting time stamp. 11:33 9/14/24
As much as Trump took her bait he did something very wise. He refused to look at her, to watch her antics. This election is about substance vs holography.
It made Harris look like a supplicant who cared too much about what Trump thought of her. President Trump faced forward, directly speaking to the voters, while Cackles sniped from the sidelines with inauthentic, choreographed, sneers (which her handlers had made her practice in the mirror for hours until her face was sore.)
Hero vs. heelbiter.
Keen observation, Josh. Sorry it was sourced so personally.
Josh, first class commentary. You have nailed this. Anyone with experience of Toxic Femininity (I have some, and can see manipulators coming from a mile away) will recognize what you say.
I don't know if you are aware of the academic recreations of the 2016 debates, but you HAVE to see them, it is wild. Anne Coulter explains and gives references here. I had never heard of this before. Highly recommended viewing. The voter reaction to the debate may not be what conventional wisdom says. The actual recreations were videotaped and you can find them on Youtube:
https://anncoulter.substack.com/p/the-debate-about-the-debate
Fascinating. How differently we perceive language when it isn't first coloured in with preconceived bias.
Jonathan Gordon comes across as smarmy and slimy, and Brenda King comes across as, yes, unpolished, but also earnest and sincere (open enough to state that as a businesswoman, of course she's going to take advantage of Jonathan Gordon & predecessors tax laws. Why wouldn't she).
Very interesting (& thanks for posting, I hadn't seen it before).
This was a great example of human psychology and the damage that can be done using misrepresentation by a corrupt Press, and the power it has to malign election outcomes.
Eye opening.
Kamala was making faces, but she looked like a kid in a mirror who was practicing.
It reminds me of one of those reality show soundtracks. My wife’s parents were watching some reality show years ago, it was The Bachelor of something like that.
I couldn’t stop laughing at the background music, because it didn’t line up at all with what was going on. People on the show would be discussing things and all of a sudden there was this random cymbal crescendo!
Cymbal crescendos normally line up with a moment of suspense, but there was no suspense. It was just all over the place, like some kid who just realized how to use yarn mallets on a cymbal.
That’s what Kamala’s facial expressions reminded me think of. She looks like a kid practicing in the mirror.
Throwing a barrage of strange looks at the audience, in the hopes that one of them would be viewed, and correspond with some situation.
But then I thought, maybe there’s more to it. Of course her cues were designed to anger Trump, but maybe there was even more there.
Perhaps the entire point was to distract from what Trump was saying. The media is going to use every strange face that she makes and turn it into a stroke of genius, like the NYT did. However, for viewers it was very distracting.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/11/us/politics/trump-harris-debate-analysis.html
Remember the debate with Paul Ryan and Joe Biden? It was truly bizarre. Biden kept laughing to the point where it seemed that something was actually wrong with him.
It was like someone was performing tickle torture on him with feathers to the feet.
Nobody could pay attention to what was being said during the debate -- because Biden was laughing constantly and at inopportune times.
But then, maybe that was the plan?
This is why Kabalah hasn’t used “much” Botox. Yet.
Yet… 🤣😂
I see more Botox in her future. 😉👉
Then she won't be able to make all those faces. 🤪
My wife can't talk because a Mal practicing non surgeon MD butchered her vocal cords. So, I don't like this comment, LOL.
I am very sorry to hear that your wife has been so tragically hurt by the Medical Mafia! I am so sorry! I will delete my insensitive comment. I will pray for both you and your wife! Also, thank you for sharing your story! I knew that a few classically-trained rock stars (I actually took voice lessons from an opera singer for one year - grueling - I still remember those vocal exercises) had “issues” (ahem) with atrophied vocal cords (let’s just call it cancer) whose careers “suddenly” ended within the last year (Jon BonJovi, to name one). Annie Wilson from Heart, another. God had blessed them with a precious gift and then... careers are over. BECAUSE SUDDENLY. Like overnight.
Again, I am so sorry to hear that this was done to your wife. 😢
This is just HORRIBLE.
A great observation and warning Josh!!
You put your finger directly on the button here and it's what we have seen in everyone of these "elites and rulers", that smugly and condescendingly smirk at you and say, "you don't know what your talking about, only I know and define the truth, not you".
You saw it in every bureaucrat in the 3 letter fiefdoms, during the scamdemic and you are seeing it more and more, in those around you.
I would posit that many, in that half you mentioned, many are just smaller versions of the old evil old crone, offering their own poison apples. They see in harris, all they hope and aspire to be and are fully aware.
And the minions who claimed to be moderators, just supported her with their own gaslighting with lies and incorrect “fact checks”!
It may be that our elite "betters" are becoming more and more a reflection of the psychopaths and sadists that C. S. Lewis describes as operating the "N.I.C.E." in That Hideous Strength. Spoiler: at the center of that tyrannical organization, known only to the inner circle, was a reanimated severed head, controlled by a demon...
I had tuned in for the event but couldn't bear watching after 20 minutes. She is evil incarnate, and your post nails it. Incidentally, take a look at the REAL presidential wannabe, struggling to appear believable on a small local news network: https://youtu.be/gFdV25Vx_DI?si=USQSc1upH0h4O3lO
Most of my family don't like that I don't like or trust Trump. But I recognize he's not like the other side. For most of them that's not good enough. You HAVE to be on the Train! lol.
At about that same time stamp I said, "He can be an idiot but he's being ganged up on and she is fake, and this is a stupid waste of time."
I voted 4th party in 2016. Trump in '20. And will vote for him again. But is this the best grade of people we can find?
Nuts!
Cryptic comment.
I’ll say!
I thought that her smirks were intended to say to her Democratic audience: “You and I are friends who are in together on how crazy dis foo is. Can you believe these antics? I’m your cool liberal aunt who has gay friends.” Leftists love to mutually masturbate to what good people they are in their perfect clique.
Haha! I'm going to call it a "circle smirk."
LOL 😂
Exactly. Performative gurning.
Of course. But I balked at the M word. That is exactly what they were doing. Is it very young people who can't see this?
Why can't my family see these things, even on the "good" side when they happen?
She is my mother too.
Damn, dude. This breaks me up. I had a no nonsense but very loving mother. I'm broken up thinking of how damaged little boys must become.
Best wishes.
100%. How women do not see this is beyond me. She is toxic, hates men and comes off, in addition to an alcoholic, borderline or hystrionic - I grew up with one, so this behavior is quite familliar. I also think she was HEAVILY medicated during the debate.
Who says we don't?
Women do. Men like Josh see her through the lens of their own experience… and women see a classic Mean Girl.
I was looking for what good women see. My wife is disgusted but she's heavily on the Trump train, lol and I wasn't sure exactly the thought process.
Use your "network of all women" and just talk this to your friends. It's the most effective tactic aside from fear.
Harris is as toxic as they come. I watched the whole thing, tho many say they couldnt/wouldn't. I endured all her little "whatever they were". It made me sick. (I often wonder how sick that person is who married her.)
Trump was aware. He knew. I thought I could see the steel control he was exercising. He pulled it off. SHE LOST!
(Thanks for sharing your story as an example of the sick evil that exists out there.)
I imagine many scenes out of Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf in the Harris household.
Oh? I ve never watched it