I would say that what I have seen comes closer to the complete castration of people in fiction. It might just be the kind of genres that I read, but outside of books that specialise in Herms or some such, one of the big features in the science-fiction and fantasy that I tend to see is that no one has sex with anyone. They’re all busy living their lives as starship captains or archers or whatever and they never have sex with anyone at any time and hardly seem interested in it.
“Gay-ification” hmm. I’m hetero through & through.
I’m also a Bible believin’ Christian, so my expectations for marriage & a husband are for a man to love me as Christ loved the church - I don’t find whips or chains to be how Christ loves me.
That being said, I can say that there is a perverseness that used to be clocked, as you’ve pointed out, with the hedonism of the gays that has now crept into even the church (we had a shirtless male pole dancer at a “male Christian conference” this past weekend!!!). You expected to see raunchy behavior & hear obscene jokes if you were around hyper-sexual men like that.
Now, I’ve had a coworker give me unsolicited anal sex advice out of the blue. Another coworker (different job) informed me of her & fiancé’s trysts that weekend which included anal for both of them. I’ve had men say to me that if they were going to date me, I’d have to give at least a little something - usually anal (that has been the huge one I’ve seen normalized. It’s so normalized that some women are shocked when I say that I will never allow it.)
Bdsm is common conversation. I’m frequently having to explain concepts to my mother, who is shocked I know them. You’re “vanilla” which is now coded with “basic, white, straight” as “boring, loveless, sexless” unless you engage in at least a little something “edgy.” You see handcuffs & whips in tv programming all the time nowadays. Riverdale had a teen girl dressing up as bdsm dom for crying out loud.
It’s sick & depraved. Normal, healthy people in healthy sexual relationships don’t have to abuse each other. The stats on regular anal sex alone… my God, it’s horrific on the human body.
What has happened is if one is not totally supportive of the urban gay scene-drug fueled parties, endless Grinder hookups, the look, the abs, the clothes etc. they’re now total homophobes. Now in my younger days I was totally “immersed” in the scene but knew it was not near the norm nor expected it ever would be. But Today if hetero Bill and Sue aren’t actively praising butt plugs and orgies, including to their seven year old well they’re just horrible homophobes, racists and bigots.
I think one thing that's very different now is how mainstreamed porn has become in our culture. It's almost now something you have to work to avoid seeing as opposed to working to seek it out. Even back in the 90s, there was some level of a veil around porn. You'd have to seek it out in a magazine, watch a scrambled cable channel or at least walk through a beaded curtain. Now, it's much more pervasive in genera life. And, not just traditional "sexiness" (which certainly has its place) but the way "sex" has invaded our culture in the last 5-10 years has a ...sinister? type feel. And a shaming and recruitment feel. It also now openly despises masculinity, be it gay or straight. There's an undercurrent of vengeful female dominance and degradation of men that seems to have been standardized within sex culture and not adhering to that makes one "problematic." More than anything, it now feels like it's fully tied to a political and social agenda.
The "queering" of childrens' education and entertainment appears to be a decades-long project. It began with indoctrinating my generation (Gen X) and we passed it along to our Millennial and Gen Z kids, creating fertile ground to introduce open "queering" to the masses. In fact, it's so ingrained at this point, that it wasn't even noticeable until the activists started flying too close to the sun.
I feel like it goes hand-in-hand with the whitewashing of kink and male gay culture for popular consumption.
Speaking of imperceptible shifts: have you noticed that all of a sudden, American society forgot, en masse, the difference between when "a" and "an" is used in a sentence??? Pay attention, especially on TV shows. You will now commonly hear people say "I bought *uh* umbrella", not "I bought *an* umbrella".
It's all some kind of social experiment and our brains are so easily manipulated that we don't even perceive the subtle shifts until sooo much later, if at all.
(The Queering of the American Child by Logan Lancing and James Lindsay was recently released and it explores this subject. )
Yes 100%. I spent the late 80s into mid 90s immersed in the tattoo/piercing scene. I encountered many people who were into alternative aka deviant lifestyles. Various "scenes" came together in the tattoo world. I went right along with all of it. These people were my tribe. We were all varying degrees of crazy. Bad childhoods, drugs, antisocial behaviors, bdsm and every kind of sexual abnormality. I was surrounded by what I now understand to be personality pathology.
In the early 90s it was all still in the underground. Now, I see it everywhere out in the open.
I agree with you and I also believe the increase availability of pornography contributes heavily. Sex is like a drug - the more you are exposed to- the more you need.
I think we have gone beyond gay, kink, or anything normal in our culture. It looks more like total degradation of human relationships to a purely transactional exchange. I don't see how it benefits females at all as the young actual women seem resigned to accepting their status as the bearers of holes for the pleasure of others and not worthy of commitment or being treasured, all the while thinking they are "empowered" by allowing themselves to be run through. At first glance it seems like a hedonistic male's paradise when really the perversion and ugly aggression the sexual devolution has fostered in women hes left them demoralized and lacking purpose and the natural desire to have, hold, and protect a woman. Only the most perverse anti-human elements could possibly consider our current social state as good. The only way out that I can imagine is a Christian revival followed by a reasonable adjustment toward tolerance of gay love and stopping there before we go back off the precipice of perversion.
What strikes me is how quickly white middle class parents will put a homosexual label on their young child. My husband plays golf with a guy who is so sure his son, who is 10, is gay. I have really good gaydar because of my experience as an unwitting beard in the late 90’s and I have never detected an ounce of homo in this sweet little boy. I’ve had my gaydar go off with kids, very rarely. Only twice in 50 years in fact. Once this guy made the comment about his son, I started noticing it everywhere.
To answer the original question, yes, the behavior boundaries are gone.
I don't really consider myself straight as I have sexual relationships with women, tho my LTRs have all been with men. I suspect that bisexuality is incredibly common, and was normal in ancient times and pre-history. I think that the religious mandate against same sex couples were two fold: make more believers, but more importantly, heterosexual pair bonds give almost every man a woman, and keep society peaceful, as a glut of horny, wifeless, frustrated young men did destroy polygamous societies. If you relax these standards and embrace our common and likely innate drift towards bisexuality, you end up in a more libertine and often degenerate society. We have moved hard towards horny-brain-rolling-no-brakes, not *because* of homosexual behavior, but because we lightened waaay up on sexual restrictions, period. That's my theory, anyway. I'm not in favor of moving back to closeted lavender marriages AT ALL, but we need something other than this porn-soaked parade we find ourselves in now.
I love how you are increasingly calling out antiwhiteism, the disease destroying Western Civilization. Antiwhites now control nearly all the nodes of power in America and throughout the once-West. If you'd like to defeat antiwhiteism and reclaim our destiny, the best resources are the book Go Free and the community you can can find via NoWhiteGuilt.org. I'm confident you would be a welcomed there, both as a guest and/or to have author Jason Köhne as a guest on your show.
Personally speaking, I recall a formative influence on me as I entered college over 20 years ago (hurts to type that) was picking up the local, weekly free "newspaper" that ran the Savage Love sex advice column written by Dan Savage.
Whether he was the zeitgeist or merely channeling it, it's hard to say. But that column had a large impact and Dan was on TV (and still is, I believe) frequently on venues such as Bill Maher.
And central to the ethos of the column was, basically kink-acceptance. Dan was writing from his experience as a gay man - and he took it as a given that to be a good lover you should question your own boundaries and try to be open to trying out what your partner desired - even if it was pretty out there. I know that radically changed my very parochial, Catholic-raised view of sex and what was "acceptable" in the bedroom.
I feel confident in saying Dan Savage played a part, but not confident in saying exactly how large. But, your question made me think of his column and how much it seemed to be taken as gospel among every liberal I knew at the time. As always, I think you're on to something.
I'm in my 50s and have been friends with gay people since junior high in the 80s. Here's what I've noticed - gay people are getting more domestic and straight people are getting kinkier. So I myself would NOT call this "gay-ification". I know a lot more gay married 20-somethings with mortages than ever before and I know a lot more heteros screwing new people every weekend. I think if we actually looked at percentages we'd find that it's now equally matched. Kinky straight people are now free to be kinky and domestic gay people are now free to be domestic. We're just noticing what wasn't there before.
On the darker side, there's a lot more despair in the world, and in the 70s and 80s when gay men were in despair (the 70s from rejection from family and the 80s from the AIDS crisis) this despair could be expressed in BDSM eroticism, scenes, fantasies and power exchange relationships. Straight people also used this form of expression to manage despair, but it's acceptance and popularity have gone up so that it's gone from very underground, to more commonplace.
Agree with everyone here. Another one who sees porn as a huge problem now for kids & families. And, I think the more you watch the more you need to go down the dark hole of deviant sex. Young teen boys are particularly susceptible and impressionable. They may start with straight sex but I doubt it's long before they're watching gay porn and then things that are darker and darker. All they have to do is open their phones and there it is... and of course, now it's even in the classroom lessons. Then they start to think maybe they're gay since that's the kind of sex they like to watch. I think their brains are being re-wired by porn. Not that there aren't people who have the propensity to be gay but I don't think it's as large a group as we're made to believe now.
I would say that what I have seen comes closer to the complete castration of people in fiction. It might just be the kind of genres that I read, but outside of books that specialise in Herms or some such, one of the big features in the science-fiction and fantasy that I tend to see is that no one has sex with anyone. They’re all busy living their lives as starship captains or archers or whatever and they never have sex with anyone at any time and hardly seem interested in it.
“Gay-ification” hmm. I’m hetero through & through.
I’m also a Bible believin’ Christian, so my expectations for marriage & a husband are for a man to love me as Christ loved the church - I don’t find whips or chains to be how Christ loves me.
That being said, I can say that there is a perverseness that used to be clocked, as you’ve pointed out, with the hedonism of the gays that has now crept into even the church (we had a shirtless male pole dancer at a “male Christian conference” this past weekend!!!). You expected to see raunchy behavior & hear obscene jokes if you were around hyper-sexual men like that.
Now, I’ve had a coworker give me unsolicited anal sex advice out of the blue. Another coworker (different job) informed me of her & fiancé’s trysts that weekend which included anal for both of them. I’ve had men say to me that if they were going to date me, I’d have to give at least a little something - usually anal (that has been the huge one I’ve seen normalized. It’s so normalized that some women are shocked when I say that I will never allow it.)
Bdsm is common conversation. I’m frequently having to explain concepts to my mother, who is shocked I know them. You’re “vanilla” which is now coded with “basic, white, straight” as “boring, loveless, sexless” unless you engage in at least a little something “edgy.” You see handcuffs & whips in tv programming all the time nowadays. Riverdale had a teen girl dressing up as bdsm dom for crying out loud.
It’s sick & depraved. Normal, healthy people in healthy sexual relationships don’t have to abuse each other. The stats on regular anal sex alone… my God, it’s horrific on the human body.
What has happened is if one is not totally supportive of the urban gay scene-drug fueled parties, endless Grinder hookups, the look, the abs, the clothes etc. they’re now total homophobes. Now in my younger days I was totally “immersed” in the scene but knew it was not near the norm nor expected it ever would be. But Today if hetero Bill and Sue aren’t actively praising butt plugs and orgies, including to their seven year old well they’re just horrible homophobes, racists and bigots.
I think one thing that's very different now is how mainstreamed porn has become in our culture. It's almost now something you have to work to avoid seeing as opposed to working to seek it out. Even back in the 90s, there was some level of a veil around porn. You'd have to seek it out in a magazine, watch a scrambled cable channel or at least walk through a beaded curtain. Now, it's much more pervasive in genera life. And, not just traditional "sexiness" (which certainly has its place) but the way "sex" has invaded our culture in the last 5-10 years has a ...sinister? type feel. And a shaming and recruitment feel. It also now openly despises masculinity, be it gay or straight. There's an undercurrent of vengeful female dominance and degradation of men that seems to have been standardized within sex culture and not adhering to that makes one "problematic." More than anything, it now feels like it's fully tied to a political and social agenda.
Love the snicker after reading Berliner's quote!!
The "queering" of childrens' education and entertainment appears to be a decades-long project. It began with indoctrinating my generation (Gen X) and we passed it along to our Millennial and Gen Z kids, creating fertile ground to introduce open "queering" to the masses. In fact, it's so ingrained at this point, that it wasn't even noticeable until the activists started flying too close to the sun.
I feel like it goes hand-in-hand with the whitewashing of kink and male gay culture for popular consumption.
Speaking of imperceptible shifts: have you noticed that all of a sudden, American society forgot, en masse, the difference between when "a" and "an" is used in a sentence??? Pay attention, especially on TV shows. You will now commonly hear people say "I bought *uh* umbrella", not "I bought *an* umbrella".
It's all some kind of social experiment and our brains are so easily manipulated that we don't even perceive the subtle shifts until sooo much later, if at all.
(The Queering of the American Child by Logan Lancing and James Lindsay was recently released and it explores this subject. )
Yes 100%. I spent the late 80s into mid 90s immersed in the tattoo/piercing scene. I encountered many people who were into alternative aka deviant lifestyles. Various "scenes" came together in the tattoo world. I went right along with all of it. These people were my tribe. We were all varying degrees of crazy. Bad childhoods, drugs, antisocial behaviors, bdsm and every kind of sexual abnormality. I was surrounded by what I now understand to be personality pathology.
In the early 90s it was all still in the underground. Now, I see it everywhere out in the open.
I agree with you and I also believe the increase availability of pornography contributes heavily. Sex is like a drug - the more you are exposed to- the more you need.
I think we have gone beyond gay, kink, or anything normal in our culture. It looks more like total degradation of human relationships to a purely transactional exchange. I don't see how it benefits females at all as the young actual women seem resigned to accepting their status as the bearers of holes for the pleasure of others and not worthy of commitment or being treasured, all the while thinking they are "empowered" by allowing themselves to be run through. At first glance it seems like a hedonistic male's paradise when really the perversion and ugly aggression the sexual devolution has fostered in women hes left them demoralized and lacking purpose and the natural desire to have, hold, and protect a woman. Only the most perverse anti-human elements could possibly consider our current social state as good. The only way out that I can imagine is a Christian revival followed by a reasonable adjustment toward tolerance of gay love and stopping there before we go back off the precipice of perversion.
What strikes me is how quickly white middle class parents will put a homosexual label on their young child. My husband plays golf with a guy who is so sure his son, who is 10, is gay. I have really good gaydar because of my experience as an unwitting beard in the late 90’s and I have never detected an ounce of homo in this sweet little boy. I’ve had my gaydar go off with kids, very rarely. Only twice in 50 years in fact. Once this guy made the comment about his son, I started noticing it everywhere.
To answer the original question, yes, the behavior boundaries are gone.
Yes. It's at least partly due to porn. Jonathan Van Maren would be a great guest for this topic. God bless you Josh!
I don't really consider myself straight as I have sexual relationships with women, tho my LTRs have all been with men. I suspect that bisexuality is incredibly common, and was normal in ancient times and pre-history. I think that the religious mandate against same sex couples were two fold: make more believers, but more importantly, heterosexual pair bonds give almost every man a woman, and keep society peaceful, as a glut of horny, wifeless, frustrated young men did destroy polygamous societies. If you relax these standards and embrace our common and likely innate drift towards bisexuality, you end up in a more libertine and often degenerate society. We have moved hard towards horny-brain-rolling-no-brakes, not *because* of homosexual behavior, but because we lightened waaay up on sexual restrictions, period. That's my theory, anyway. I'm not in favor of moving back to closeted lavender marriages AT ALL, but we need something other than this porn-soaked parade we find ourselves in now.
I love how you are increasingly calling out antiwhiteism, the disease destroying Western Civilization. Antiwhites now control nearly all the nodes of power in America and throughout the once-West. If you'd like to defeat antiwhiteism and reclaim our destiny, the best resources are the book Go Free and the community you can can find via NoWhiteGuilt.org. I'm confident you would be a welcomed there, both as a guest and/or to have author Jason Köhne as a guest on your show.
Personally speaking, I recall a formative influence on me as I entered college over 20 years ago (hurts to type that) was picking up the local, weekly free "newspaper" that ran the Savage Love sex advice column written by Dan Savage.
Whether he was the zeitgeist or merely channeling it, it's hard to say. But that column had a large impact and Dan was on TV (and still is, I believe) frequently on venues such as Bill Maher.
And central to the ethos of the column was, basically kink-acceptance. Dan was writing from his experience as a gay man - and he took it as a given that to be a good lover you should question your own boundaries and try to be open to trying out what your partner desired - even if it was pretty out there. I know that radically changed my very parochial, Catholic-raised view of sex and what was "acceptable" in the bedroom.
I feel confident in saying Dan Savage played a part, but not confident in saying exactly how large. But, your question made me think of his column and how much it seemed to be taken as gospel among every liberal I knew at the time. As always, I think you're on to something.
I'm in my 50s and have been friends with gay people since junior high in the 80s. Here's what I've noticed - gay people are getting more domestic and straight people are getting kinkier. So I myself would NOT call this "gay-ification". I know a lot more gay married 20-somethings with mortages than ever before and I know a lot more heteros screwing new people every weekend. I think if we actually looked at percentages we'd find that it's now equally matched. Kinky straight people are now free to be kinky and domestic gay people are now free to be domestic. We're just noticing what wasn't there before.
On the darker side, there's a lot more despair in the world, and in the 70s and 80s when gay men were in despair (the 70s from rejection from family and the 80s from the AIDS crisis) this despair could be expressed in BDSM eroticism, scenes, fantasies and power exchange relationships. Straight people also used this form of expression to manage despair, but it's acceptance and popularity have gone up so that it's gone from very underground, to more commonplace.
Agree with everyone here. Another one who sees porn as a huge problem now for kids & families. And, I think the more you watch the more you need to go down the dark hole of deviant sex. Young teen boys are particularly susceptible and impressionable. They may start with straight sex but I doubt it's long before they're watching gay porn and then things that are darker and darker. All they have to do is open their phones and there it is... and of course, now it's even in the classroom lessons. Then they start to think maybe they're gay since that's the kind of sex they like to watch. I think their brains are being re-wired by porn. Not that there aren't people who have the propensity to be gay but I don't think it's as large a group as we're made to believe now.