I notice that, in the trans debate, there is endless sympathy for females who “transition,” and nothing but contempt and the most extreme disdain for men who “transition.”
I think that for any parent, male or female, this drive to do it to a child comes from psychological instability in the parent. It's child abuse; it's Munchausen by Proxy. What drives that? Cluster B personality disorders.
I think you said it best yourself many times before. We as a society do not recognize female bad behavior. It is about time that we define toxic feminity and show how this behavior infiltrates the trans cult.
Why? Because the entire purpose of feminism is and always has been to gain superiority over men. Any - every - “equal rights” program, cohort, etc., FOUNDATIONALLY is about gaining superiority over those defined by that cohort as “oppressors.”
None of these groups are about equality. If they were, no standards would need to be - or even asked to be - changed to accommodate the protesting cohort.
Because no one wants to be discriminated against, these misnamed groups only do, only can, only will continue to drive “anti-“ discrimination, which is just changing sides for who is discriminating against whom.
Because all this is based on malformed empathy - for blacks against whites, for women against men, for illegals against citizens, etc. the - ONLY - way to end it is to disenfranchise the empathy voter.
We can repeal 19, or it will repeal Western Civ. Like sex, it’s a binary choice.
Dehumanizing citizens by repealing voting rights is not how adults solve problems, and repealing Amendment 19 is answering misandry with misogyny. There are better ways. Removing Critical Theory as a mobilizing political idea is our first step back to sanity.
Nonsense. There’s nothing “dehumanizing” about recognizing that women are more empathetic than men. I doubt you can find any disagreement from that.
What’s “dehumanizing” are the results of over-emphasis on empathy. Government is not about empathy; it’s about force. Which is why:
A) no matriarchal societies exist in the historical record
B) western Civ rose for millennia without female suffrage - and has been declining since.
If you want to see de-humanization, look at the results of over-emphasis on empathy: decarceration of thugs now out raping women & children, trannies displacing women in sports they have busted their ass for since they were 4-yo girls, illegal aliens overrunning schools, hospitals, hotels, thugs not being incarcerated because “Oh, that poor kid…”
All social pathologies in the West today begin with “Oh, that poor…” and the empathy vote. And the victims of these pathologies care women & children.
The choice is repealing 19 OR Western Civilization. We’ve been proving for a century we can’t have both.
Women can determine their own future all they want. It’s when they determine the future of others that things become problematic. Which is why there are zero matriarchies in the historical record.
The overemphasis by women on empathy has created just about all societal pathologies. All of these begin with “Oh, that poor ____; we must help them!” Illegal alien, fatherless thug, incarcerated rapist…. If we’re just nice to them, we can all sing kumbaya together! And who are the most vulnerable to these illegals, thugs, rapists, etc.? Women & children. Government is about force - not empathy. Too much empathy results in a dangerous & unsafe society. And that is 100% on female suffrage.
An interesting argument against the 19th amendment is that it split households and families. Instead of 1 vote per family (casted by the man) it became 2 and then gave way to the possibility of the household being at odds with itself, or competing values.
I struggled with where to put this comment, but this is as good a place as any I suppose...
You probably won't like this, and for a long time I didn't either, but I gradually had to come to accept the reality that there can never be equality between the sexes, as we understand the concept. This is why we're at an eternal impasse in our public discourse. Women want access to every traditionally male space and role, with all the privileges granted thereunto, but without any of the attendant and inescapable trouble, suffering, burden, and obligation...without the requirement to accept aggression, to be the sometime target of criticism, to stoically set aside complaint for oneself and empathy for others. And I don't blame them for it. They can't possibly accept those things. They are physically and psychologically more vulnerable, and therefore weaker. They need the buffer of the men in their lives (which in a sane arrangement would imply denying them certain kinds of access, certain rights and responsibilities)...or in the modern context, the proxy man - the social welfare state, which is the one thing that allows us to continue to limp along in our half-baked, delusional theory of equality. Someone below in the comments said that you can't change female nature in a few generations; I say you can't change it at all, ever. Which is why you have to channel it properly. Whether we like it or not, these are the reasons that almost every human society that has ever existed has segregated the domains of men and women in one way or another. We can't plow around this problem. We are figuratively beating our heads bloody against the wall of reality, trying to make these things not true. They are true.
I think I was about 40, listening to a woman of about 70 remix her "greatest hits" from her time in the Sexual Revolution, before I began to take seriously my need to escape the delusion. "Women can do anything men can do, and better!" she said indignantly. It sounded "off" then; I can't even express how insane it sounds to me now.
This, by the way, is why the logic of transhumanism barrels on: if you can't change human nature, you must crush it to powder, and reformulate it into something else. The only way to defeat the binary is to make it into an androgynous monad.
Oh, I'm the one who said it, and I agree, you can't change it at all, nor should you try. But even if you thought it could change, the timeline they're on is ridiculous.
Only in the eyes of TERFs. Look at any video of 'drag queen story hour' and the room is almost completely full of women (single, feminist mothers) cheering and whooping as the drag queens perform strip and tell lewd jokes. DQSH was itself started by a lesbian (with a kid).
For the women that attend and cheer this on (and make their own children watch it) I suspect it gives them pleasure to see men emasculated and denigrated by their own performance. They probably have disdain for men and this is a form of release. The few men who attend seem to be 'beta husband' types (male feminists).
In the 1990's there was a period when stories of trans women being beaten up in public were doing the rounds. The feminists were quick to claim this was evidence of 'misogyny', reasoning that by identifying as women they immediately attracted harassment and violence in public.
This argument is nonsensical of course. The people beating them up very much saw them as MEN and that is what made them fair game. Also men police other men (on women's behalf) to ensure masculine norms (self sacrifice, strength, stoicism etc) are adhered to. Effeminate and gay men have always been regarded (consciously or unconsciously) as 'letting down women' by not embracing the role of provider/ protector..... or even competing with women by adopting a vulnerable role and seeking fine things and safety.
Every gay man was denying some poor woman a husband. It's no coincidence that homosexuality was only made less taboo for men AFTER living standards improved greatly and a massive welfare program was put in place to ensure women could always marry the state if there were no suitable husbands around.
You can tie yourself up in knots trying to unpack the logic of feminists and TERFs. There is really only one simple rule: the thing must be framed in such a way to make women the innocent victims and men the guilty oppressors. Then the feminists / TERFs can make their demands from the all-powerful position of helpless victim.
That is why everything is evidence of misogyny, everything is an affront to women, everything is offensive and everything is men's fault. Feminists will say marriage is how men oppress women, but then in the next breath they will say single women are at a disadvantage because they don't have the support of a husband. There are hundreds of contradictions like this within feminist ideology.
As you say, trans identified women are victims who deserve our sympathy and support, while trans identified men are woman-facing ordinary women into a fiery pit of eternal suffering.
For feminist minded people the argument is NOT an attempt to reach truth, the argument is an attempt to gain leverage (moral dominance). Once you understand that you realise they are being consistent..... just not in terms of logic, reason or evidence.
Well not really. I mean TERFs are feminists and feminist ideology is based on the premise that there are no differences between the sexes. That is the only way to argue that different gender roles are inherently unfair.
In a world consisting only of women you could argue that it is unfair for Jane to stay at home baking bread while Sally works down the mines and brings home a wage packet each week (although feminists would probably get it wrong again and ague that going down the mine is the more attractive option).
But once you factor in biological sex (sexual dimorphism) traditional gender roles make perfect sense. Everyone with a brain understand why traditional gender roles are the way they are. Only feminists seem to struggle with the concept. TERF's are feminists. It's in the name.
It was feminists who invented the concept of 'social construct' theory of gender (blank slate) which claims there are no biologically based gender differences and everything is the result of arbitrary socialisation as children. So no, I do not accept that feminists - including TERFs - have any grasp of biological sex. I mean of course they do really, but they pretend they do not. They've built an entire movement based on pretending to not understand the differences between men and women and WHY those differences matter. This movement has shaped our culture, our relationships and our laws for over a century now. And it is why we now have schools and daycare centres filled almost exclusively with progressive, feminist staff, and children identifying as cats and hedgehogs.
In any case, trans people do not argue against biological sex (sexual dimorphism). Without sexual dimorphism 'trans' would have no meaning even as a concept. Only social constructivists, non binaries and gender queers argue against biological sex. There is a distinction.
It may well be that the explosion in trans/ NB/ GQ identified people is a result (at least in part) of environmental factors like processed foods, vaccines, EMF pollution etc. Gender identity may well turn out be as fragile as fertility is to environmental toxins and stressors on the body. We can all agree that fertility is real, but infertile people also exist. What if it turns out that gender (ie the conscious experience of being a man or a woman) is like that too?
The kind of moronic arguments being made by TERFs at the moment (mostly victim posturing) keeps the topic utterly polarised and emotion-based and prevents any proper scientific research being carried out that might actually help young people feel less confused and distressed.
Feminism's ridiculous 'social construct' theory of gender paved the way for today's culture, where gender can be declared as an 'identity' and changed throughout the day depending on your mood, making it is arbitrary and meaningless by definition.
This is why the entire progressive/ feminist/TERF / GC community are all as bad as each other. Before they even try to debate with each other they need to come together and clearly define a set of fixed terms and criteria so they can at least debate these topics coherently. At the moment they are all wrestling with half a dozen completely contradictory concepts and with no consistent language.
If the adults can't even agree on proper definitions and consistent concepts how on earth can we expect children to know who they are and what they are feeling?
Wind your neck in on that right now. You're not in a feminist-friendly space. You actually have to reciprocate here, and you may not rely on typical feminist "lmao stupid men/blameless women."
Not here. That's an instruction, not a request. Don't do it again or you're gone.
1. Feminists do not (and never have) represented 'women', although they claim to which is incredibly condescending. Not only does feminism not represent the majority of women, many feminists are men!
2. Criticising feminist ideology is also not a male activity, even though feminists often frame it that way. The fiercest critics of feminism over the past century have always been women, going all the way back to the anti-suffragettes.
3. The majority of trans identified youth these days are female. TERFs generally ignore them - presumably because they don't fit the 'patriarchy' narrative and they can't be used to frame women as victims of male sexuality.
4. You seem to be implying women cannot be 'blamed' for trans, and therefore it is all men's doing. By excusing women in this way you are essentially claiming men dictate not only their own identities, but also the identities of women. This is one of the many criticisms we have with feminism - it defines women as less than humans, with no free will, no agency and an identity which is wholly dictated by men. That is such a disempowering and wretched way to define women!
Many young female de-transitioners have said they adopted a male identity because their feminist upbringing made them feel powerless and worthless as women, and they believed they could only become 'people' by adopting a male identity, because feminism told them only men have power and agency in this world.
So while blaming everything on men feels good in the short term, it is really an act of self erasure and self disempowerment. The more feminists feel disempowered by their own ideology, the more they blame men, and the more disempowered they feel. This is what 'feminist angst' is.
And now we have hormones and surgeries to solve the problem. But the problem is not being a woman. The problem is how feminist ideology defines being a woman.
Well I'm sorry to hear that. I would suggest legal action against your doctor or whoever administered the shots without giving you proper informed consent.
FWIW Naomi Wolf has put together some very good presentations on the effect of the shot on fertility (see link below)
The insane push to vaccine children and young people in 2021 was especially concerning and suspicious and the only explanation which makes any sense to me is depopulation. And since 2021 we have seen a 10 - 15% drop in live births already. Even the TV news has had to report on it. It was known 10 years ago that lipid nanoparticles migrate to the ovaries / testes of rats and degrade them so they can't pretend it was a mistake to put them in the shots.
Some researchers have expressed concerns that those born after 2021 may grow up to be infertile and sexually immature (ie not go through puberty properly) due to the degrading effects of the LNPs on the reproductive system. But at least they will have 72 imaginary genders to choose from and lots of opportunities for dressing up and doing all sorts of narcissistic lifestyle activities not related to reproduction, parenting and family. That does seems to be the plan, I'm sad to say.
Whatever your feelings are about Wolf, this is a cracking presentation. I highly recommend it. It really does put the whole 'gender' topic in a wider context. If the TERFs would expand their arguments to include this angle I would stop criticising them :)
OK fine but in some countries around 80% of young people took the shot. And like I said live births are already down 10-15% since 2021. We might be looking at a total collapse in fertility in the next couple of decades.
That's on top of the estimated 15 million vax deaths worldwide plus all the injuries and disabilities (in the US alone the number of working age people claiming disability rose by 3 million in 2021 - that's a 10% increase in a single year).
Midwives have reported that on some shift they are now seeing more dead babies than live births. Mortuary workers in hospitals are reporting 10x more dead babies than normal. Also there is a significant rise in pregnancy and birth complications for both babies and mothers (cardiac arrest, excessive bleeding, clotting etc).
While the greatest democide in history is happening, the TERFs remain fixated on the locker room and sport stuff only. But of course feminism has never been a pro life movement.
I've actually never thought that truly damaged men (teens, boys) who seek escape as transwomen are misogynistic. I've always thought the opposite - that they love women or what they believe women represent, and that they therefore want to be one. A thought I kick around is that many transwomen perceive, consciously or subconsciously, that women are treated as sacred and to be protected and kept safe, something they are desperately yearning for in their lives.
You have to have a heart of stone not to feel sad for someone who is so damaged that he thinks the way to be okay is to completely deny who he is at his very core. A transwoman has disappeared, "killed", his male self. He doesn't hate women. He hates himself. He hates men.
That is because you truly have no clue what is going on.
There are no "trans" women. Those are men. They hate women. They think being a woman is nothing but a feeling in their head, a costume to wear, based on their own stupidity and perversions. That is not sacred and nothing to protect, not as they literally attack women in public for saying no to them.
The people who read and comment on Josh's posts are as stupid and misogynist as he is. Completely unaware of reality, and consumed by their total need to make excuses for male violence, stupidity, and hatred.
It’s the “women are wonderful” effect. I honestly don’t think it stems from society per se, I think it’s a deep seated biological thing. Men are ultimately more disposable than women from a macro perspective: you can repopulate the tribe with ten women and one man, but not the other way around, so it makes sense that across societies that women are (subconsciously) put on a pedestal because their wombs are an irreplaceable resource. Of course, this biological programming expresses itself in frustratingly disturbing ways in our modern culture.
The people who pass don't need to reveal a fucking thing about their past for the very reason that most humans are full of shit publicly versus privately.
I agree, Josh. Although I don't follow specific cases as much there are many problems in our public discourse with sexual transitioning in general, and you've touched on an important discrepancy that would lend a great deal of erudition if we could only openly discuss the problems instead of just venting hysterically on social media for click bait. The fact that fights online are monetized and not reasonable discussion is much of the problem. What's crazy is the fact that the feminists simply will not view men and women as equals. I don't think they realize that they attribute agency to men and lack of agency to women which is, of course, dehumanizing to both. I grew up during a time when male chauvanism was open and blatant. A woman was just supposed to accept herself as an inferior being with not much to contribute to the world. The feminism I grew up with seems to have rectified this. But since the 90's, so much of feminism has just become chauvanism in reverse with an added obsession with abortion.
Meanwhile, I see husbands and wives together and happy all the time. Feminism, for probably most of the general public, has been left behind.
Since I don't know the specific comments to which you're responding, I can't speak to them, but I think you may be conflating responses to "drag" and "trans".
Drag Queens aren't trying to pass as women. Quite the contrary: the whole point is that we know they're actually men. Drag is meant to subvert the male/female binary, either for comedy or ideological purposes (or both). The ideological point is that gender is a performance, a role we adopt that has no necessary relation to biology.
For this reason, the performance can't be too convincing or realistic. We can't be fooled into thinking the performer is genuinely female, because then the binary is affirmed rather than subverted. So the performance has to be a stylized, cartoonish, over-the-top caricature of (mostly negative) female stereotypes. When this cartoon persona is just a theatrical conceit, maybe we can suspend disbelief and play along with the joke. But when he presents this persona as his "authentic self" in real-world settings, he's conflating this cartoon version of womanhood with the real thing. Maybe he's not being *deliberately* misogynistic, but it's not unreasonable to view it that way.
People who are "transgender" usually ARE trying to pass as the opposite sex. They're not subverting the male/female binary (per se). They just think they're supposed to be on the other side of it. They don't see this as a performance. MTFs want to be seen as actual no-kidding women. They may be exceptionally bad at it, but they're not deliberately trying to create ambiguity.
Granted, in practice, these concepts overlap and get muddled, because we're dealing with people who are crazy and/or evil. Some people who claim to be "transgender" are really just doing a version of drag, and vice versa.
The problem is that women want all the protections that were put in place to keep them safe while bearing children while at the same time rejecting that most sacred duty. That's why women are schizophrenic on the issue. They want the deference and protections because you can't fundamentally change female nature in a few generations. This ease and safety is new and won't last. Men are asking why they still have to sacrifice everything to women when they have equal privileges but no responsibilities; and women cry equality until the hormones kick in and they suddenly want a child, then millenia of sexual dimorphism takes over and all they want is a walled garden free of predators, but only a man can make that, and they've driven them all away. And that's why they're all insane.
Hey, Josh, I see your point. This is also one of Janice Fiamengo's arguments (she used to be a favorite when she did those great videos on academic feminism, but, ultimately, her attachment to men's rights is superficially Freudian: I finally found a good guy to marry, so I stopped going to "take back the night" marches"). I stopped listening to her, but my Sunday nights are all about "Disaffected." Anyhow, my experience has been a little different, and I'm curious if others would agree. First, I hear many podcasts with "trans women" and male de-transitioners, in which trauma is explored very thoroughly, as it should be. I also notice that there are fewer podcasts about "trans men." Second, "FTMs" are less visible, because it is easier for women, especially butch women, to pass. They still have the body mass of women and are unlikely to do much harm. If they go to a male prison, they will be pregnant (unless they've had a hysterectomy, of course), or experience violence (I can say it in a "voice," but it is still logically true.) Third, I've never seen a video of a "trans man" yelling "Call me sir!" at McDonald's. That honor is left to blue-haired non-binary kindergarten teachers and "trans women." I conclude that the latter are more narcissistic. Somehow, "trans men" seem less narcissistic, but I could be wrong. I simply cannot see Buck Angel and that "being a girl" guy (forget the name) in the same way. I know my response is controversial. YMMV.
Yeah, I think anyone who is afflicted with intense feelings of unease in their body should regarded with compassion. I just tend to be more wary of men because they are the gender that overwhelmingly behaves in violent and predatory ways.
Agreed. Their behavior is also more entitled: they browbeat us into seeing what we cannot see: their womanhood and their right to destroy women in sports. This entitlement makes many less willing to explore the traumatic antecedents of their behavior. And no, not all men are entitled and predatory (for the cheap seats in the back).
Idk, there is a lot of sympathy for young transitioners e.g. Jazz Jennings, and FTM are more likely to be young or unattractive women. I think there is some sympathy out there for feminine-looking guys who are better received as women than men.
There is less sympathy for fetishists, who are almost exclusively MTF.
I’m not sure what you’re asking. I’m glad to see any parent try to stop this. But the majority of cases are the mother trying to do it.
I think that for any parent, male or female, this drive to do it to a child comes from psychological instability in the parent. It's child abuse; it's Munchausen by Proxy. What drives that? Cluster B personality disorders.
I think you said it best yourself many times before. We as a society do not recognize female bad behavior. It is about time that we define toxic feminity and show how this behavior infiltrates the trans cult.
I am an old (8th) decade. No angel, but I am disgusted with the way some females choose to behave.
SOME.WOMEN I'VE MET have
put me in the (are u kidding me) camp.
Why? Because the entire purpose of feminism is and always has been to gain superiority over men. Any - every - “equal rights” program, cohort, etc., FOUNDATIONALLY is about gaining superiority over those defined by that cohort as “oppressors.”
None of these groups are about equality. If they were, no standards would need to be - or even asked to be - changed to accommodate the protesting cohort.
Because no one wants to be discriminated against, these misnamed groups only do, only can, only will continue to drive “anti-“ discrimination, which is just changing sides for who is discriminating against whom.
Because all this is based on malformed empathy - for blacks against whites, for women against men, for illegals against citizens, etc. the - ONLY - way to end it is to disenfranchise the empathy voter.
We can repeal 19, or it will repeal Western Civ. Like sex, it’s a binary choice.
Dehumanizing citizens by repealing voting rights is not how adults solve problems, and repealing Amendment 19 is answering misandry with misogyny. There are better ways. Removing Critical Theory as a mobilizing political idea is our first step back to sanity.
Nonsense. There’s nothing “dehumanizing” about recognizing that women are more empathetic than men. I doubt you can find any disagreement from that.
What’s “dehumanizing” are the results of over-emphasis on empathy. Government is not about empathy; it’s about force. Which is why:
A) no matriarchal societies exist in the historical record
B) western Civ rose for millennia without female suffrage - and has been declining since.
If you want to see de-humanization, look at the results of over-emphasis on empathy: decarceration of thugs now out raping women & children, trannies displacing women in sports they have busted their ass for since they were 4-yo girls, illegal aliens overrunning schools, hospitals, hotels, thugs not being incarcerated because “Oh, that poor kid…”
All social pathologies in the West today begin with “Oh, that poor…” and the empathy vote. And the victims of these pathologies care women & children.
The choice is repealing 19 OR Western Civilization. We’ve been proving for a century we can’t have both.
Most men did not have suffrage while Western civilization was in ascent. By your logic, we should seriously reconsider suffrage in general.
Yup. Property owning male
parents over 25. If they don’t have skin in the game, they ought not be playing.
So women do not have the right to determine their own future. Got it.
Women can determine their own future all they want. It’s when they determine the future of others that things become problematic. Which is why there are zero matriarchies in the historical record.
The overemphasis by women on empathy has created just about all societal pathologies. All of these begin with “Oh, that poor ____; we must help them!” Illegal alien, fatherless thug, incarcerated rapist…. If we’re just nice to them, we can all sing kumbaya together! And who are the most vulnerable to these illegals, thugs, rapists, etc.? Women & children. Government is about force - not empathy. Too much empathy results in a dangerous & unsafe society. And that is 100% on female suffrage.
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Never fell that crap
An interesting argument against the 19th amendment is that it split households and families. Instead of 1 vote per family (casted by the man) it became 2 and then gave way to the possibility of the household being at odds with itself, or competing values.
In 1960 my mom voted for Kennedy and my dad voted for Nixon. Result: effectively no vote from my family because each cancelled out the other.
So, taxation without representation if you're a woman but not if you're a man. And let me guess, women shouldn't be allowed to own property, either.
[Standard disclaimer: supply your own "not-alls"]
I struggled with where to put this comment, but this is as good a place as any I suppose...
You probably won't like this, and for a long time I didn't either, but I gradually had to come to accept the reality that there can never be equality between the sexes, as we understand the concept. This is why we're at an eternal impasse in our public discourse. Women want access to every traditionally male space and role, with all the privileges granted thereunto, but without any of the attendant and inescapable trouble, suffering, burden, and obligation...without the requirement to accept aggression, to be the sometime target of criticism, to stoically set aside complaint for oneself and empathy for others. And I don't blame them for it. They can't possibly accept those things. They are physically and psychologically more vulnerable, and therefore weaker. They need the buffer of the men in their lives (which in a sane arrangement would imply denying them certain kinds of access, certain rights and responsibilities)...or in the modern context, the proxy man - the social welfare state, which is the one thing that allows us to continue to limp along in our half-baked, delusional theory of equality. Someone below in the comments said that you can't change female nature in a few generations; I say you can't change it at all, ever. Which is why you have to channel it properly. Whether we like it or not, these are the reasons that almost every human society that has ever existed has segregated the domains of men and women in one way or another. We can't plow around this problem. We are figuratively beating our heads bloody against the wall of reality, trying to make these things not true. They are true.
I think I was about 40, listening to a woman of about 70 remix her "greatest hits" from her time in the Sexual Revolution, before I began to take seriously my need to escape the delusion. "Women can do anything men can do, and better!" she said indignantly. It sounded "off" then; I can't even express how insane it sounds to me now.
This, by the way, is why the logic of transhumanism barrels on: if you can't change human nature, you must crush it to powder, and reformulate it into something else. The only way to defeat the binary is to make it into an androgynous monad.
Oh, I'm the one who said it, and I agree, you can't change it at all, nor should you try. But even if you thought it could change, the timeline they're on is ridiculous.
As I asked above, what rights do you think women should have repealed exactly? Be specific.
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"Drag queens are “misogynist.”"
Only in the eyes of TERFs. Look at any video of 'drag queen story hour' and the room is almost completely full of women (single, feminist mothers) cheering and whooping as the drag queens perform strip and tell lewd jokes. DQSH was itself started by a lesbian (with a kid).
For the women that attend and cheer this on (and make their own children watch it) I suspect it gives them pleasure to see men emasculated and denigrated by their own performance. They probably have disdain for men and this is a form of release. The few men who attend seem to be 'beta husband' types (male feminists).
In the 1990's there was a period when stories of trans women being beaten up in public were doing the rounds. The feminists were quick to claim this was evidence of 'misogyny', reasoning that by identifying as women they immediately attracted harassment and violence in public.
This argument is nonsensical of course. The people beating them up very much saw them as MEN and that is what made them fair game. Also men police other men (on women's behalf) to ensure masculine norms (self sacrifice, strength, stoicism etc) are adhered to. Effeminate and gay men have always been regarded (consciously or unconsciously) as 'letting down women' by not embracing the role of provider/ protector..... or even competing with women by adopting a vulnerable role and seeking fine things and safety.
Every gay man was denying some poor woman a husband. It's no coincidence that homosexuality was only made less taboo for men AFTER living standards improved greatly and a massive welfare program was put in place to ensure women could always marry the state if there were no suitable husbands around.
You can tie yourself up in knots trying to unpack the logic of feminists and TERFs. There is really only one simple rule: the thing must be framed in such a way to make women the innocent victims and men the guilty oppressors. Then the feminists / TERFs can make their demands from the all-powerful position of helpless victim.
That is why everything is evidence of misogyny, everything is an affront to women, everything is offensive and everything is men's fault. Feminists will say marriage is how men oppress women, but then in the next breath they will say single women are at a disadvantage because they don't have the support of a husband. There are hundreds of contradictions like this within feminist ideology.
As you say, trans identified women are victims who deserve our sympathy and support, while trans identified men are woman-facing ordinary women into a fiery pit of eternal suffering.
For feminist minded people the argument is NOT an attempt to reach truth, the argument is an attempt to gain leverage (moral dominance). Once you understand that you realise they are being consistent..... just not in terms of logic, reason or evidence.
At least TERFs recognize biological sexes.
Well not really. I mean TERFs are feminists and feminist ideology is based on the premise that there are no differences between the sexes. That is the only way to argue that different gender roles are inherently unfair.
In a world consisting only of women you could argue that it is unfair for Jane to stay at home baking bread while Sally works down the mines and brings home a wage packet each week (although feminists would probably get it wrong again and ague that going down the mine is the more attractive option).
But once you factor in biological sex (sexual dimorphism) traditional gender roles make perfect sense. Everyone with a brain understand why traditional gender roles are the way they are. Only feminists seem to struggle with the concept. TERF's are feminists. It's in the name.
It was feminists who invented the concept of 'social construct' theory of gender (blank slate) which claims there are no biologically based gender differences and everything is the result of arbitrary socialisation as children. So no, I do not accept that feminists - including TERFs - have any grasp of biological sex. I mean of course they do really, but they pretend they do not. They've built an entire movement based on pretending to not understand the differences between men and women and WHY those differences matter. This movement has shaped our culture, our relationships and our laws for over a century now. And it is why we now have schools and daycare centres filled almost exclusively with progressive, feminist staff, and children identifying as cats and hedgehogs.
In any case, trans people do not argue against biological sex (sexual dimorphism). Without sexual dimorphism 'trans' would have no meaning even as a concept. Only social constructivists, non binaries and gender queers argue against biological sex. There is a distinction.
It may well be that the explosion in trans/ NB/ GQ identified people is a result (at least in part) of environmental factors like processed foods, vaccines, EMF pollution etc. Gender identity may well turn out be as fragile as fertility is to environmental toxins and stressors on the body. We can all agree that fertility is real, but infertile people also exist. What if it turns out that gender (ie the conscious experience of being a man or a woman) is like that too?
The kind of moronic arguments being made by TERFs at the moment (mostly victim posturing) keeps the topic utterly polarised and emotion-based and prevents any proper scientific research being carried out that might actually help young people feel less confused and distressed.
Feminism's ridiculous 'social construct' theory of gender paved the way for today's culture, where gender can be declared as an 'identity' and changed throughout the day depending on your mood, making it is arbitrary and meaningless by definition.
This is why the entire progressive/ feminist/TERF / GC community are all as bad as each other. Before they even try to debate with each other they need to come together and clearly define a set of fixed terms and criteria so they can at least debate these topics coherently. At the moment they are all wrestling with half a dozen completely contradictory concepts and with no consistent language.
If the adults can't even agree on proper definitions and consistent concepts how on earth can we expect children to know who they are and what they are feeling?
Wind your neck in on that right now. You're not in a feminist-friendly space. You actually have to reciprocate here, and you may not rely on typical feminist "lmao stupid men/blameless women."
Not here. That's an instruction, not a request. Don't do it again or you're gone.
1. Feminists do not (and never have) represented 'women', although they claim to which is incredibly condescending. Not only does feminism not represent the majority of women, many feminists are men!
2. Criticising feminist ideology is also not a male activity, even though feminists often frame it that way. The fiercest critics of feminism over the past century have always been women, going all the way back to the anti-suffragettes.
3. The majority of trans identified youth these days are female. TERFs generally ignore them - presumably because they don't fit the 'patriarchy' narrative and they can't be used to frame women as victims of male sexuality.
4. You seem to be implying women cannot be 'blamed' for trans, and therefore it is all men's doing. By excusing women in this way you are essentially claiming men dictate not only their own identities, but also the identities of women. This is one of the many criticisms we have with feminism - it defines women as less than humans, with no free will, no agency and an identity which is wholly dictated by men. That is such a disempowering and wretched way to define women!
Many young female de-transitioners have said they adopted a male identity because their feminist upbringing made them feel powerless and worthless as women, and they believed they could only become 'people' by adopting a male identity, because feminism told them only men have power and agency in this world.
So while blaming everything on men feels good in the short term, it is really an act of self erasure and self disempowerment. The more feminists feel disempowered by their own ideology, the more they blame men, and the more disempowered they feel. This is what 'feminist angst' is.
And now we have hormones and surgeries to solve the problem. But the problem is not being a woman. The problem is how feminist ideology defines being a woman.
I'm sorry. I can't respond. I've been vaccinated for COVID 4 times :).
Well I'm sorry to hear that. I would suggest legal action against your doctor or whoever administered the shots without giving you proper informed consent.
FWIW Naomi Wolf has put together some very good presentations on the effect of the shot on fertility (see link below)
The insane push to vaccine children and young people in 2021 was especially concerning and suspicious and the only explanation which makes any sense to me is depopulation. And since 2021 we have seen a 10 - 15% drop in live births already. Even the TV news has had to report on it. It was known 10 years ago that lipid nanoparticles migrate to the ovaries / testes of rats and degrade them so they can't pretend it was a mistake to put them in the shots.
Some researchers have expressed concerns that those born after 2021 may grow up to be infertile and sexually immature (ie not go through puberty properly) due to the degrading effects of the LNPs on the reproductive system. But at least they will have 72 imaginary genders to choose from and lots of opportunities for dressing up and doing all sorts of narcissistic lifestyle activities not related to reproduction, parenting and family. That does seems to be the plan, I'm sad to say.
Whatever your feelings are about Wolf, this is a cracking presentation. I highly recommend it. It really does put the whole 'gender' topic in a wider context. If the TERFs would expand their arguments to include this angle I would stop criticising them :)
NAOMI WOLF - WHAT'S IN THE PFIZER DOCUMENTS?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nd3NxXnlv3u9/
I'm 51, honey, don't you fret about my fertility :)
OK fine but in some countries around 80% of young people took the shot. And like I said live births are already down 10-15% since 2021. We might be looking at a total collapse in fertility in the next couple of decades.
That's on top of the estimated 15 million vax deaths worldwide plus all the injuries and disabilities (in the US alone the number of working age people claiming disability rose by 3 million in 2021 - that's a 10% increase in a single year).
Midwives have reported that on some shift they are now seeing more dead babies than live births. Mortuary workers in hospitals are reporting 10x more dead babies than normal. Also there is a significant rise in pregnancy and birth complications for both babies and mothers (cardiac arrest, excessive bleeding, clotting etc).
While the greatest democide in history is happening, the TERFs remain fixated on the locker room and sport stuff only. But of course feminism has never been a pro life movement.
Thanks you for another RIGHT-ON essay Josh!
I've actually never thought that truly damaged men (teens, boys) who seek escape as transwomen are misogynistic. I've always thought the opposite - that they love women or what they believe women represent, and that they therefore want to be one. A thought I kick around is that many transwomen perceive, consciously or subconsciously, that women are treated as sacred and to be protected and kept safe, something they are desperately yearning for in their lives.
You have to have a heart of stone not to feel sad for someone who is so damaged that he thinks the way to be okay is to completely deny who he is at his very core. A transwoman has disappeared, "killed", his male self. He doesn't hate women. He hates himself. He hates men.
That is because you truly have no clue what is going on.
There are no "trans" women. Those are men. They hate women. They think being a woman is nothing but a feeling in their head, a costume to wear, based on their own stupidity and perversions. That is not sacred and nothing to protect, not as they literally attack women in public for saying no to them.
The people who read and comment on Josh's posts are as stupid and misogynist as he is. Completely unaware of reality, and consumed by their total need to make excuses for male violence, stupidity, and hatred.
Women deserve sympathy.
Men don't.
End of story.
A lot here to think about Josh! I see many of the points you make and tend to agree.
It’s the “women are wonderful” effect. I honestly don’t think it stems from society per se, I think it’s a deep seated biological thing. Men are ultimately more disposable than women from a macro perspective: you can repopulate the tribe with ten women and one man, but not the other way around, so it makes sense that across societies that women are (subconsciously) put on a pedestal because their wombs are an irreplaceable resource. Of course, this biological programming expresses itself in frustratingly disturbing ways in our modern culture.
The people who pass don't need to reveal a fucking thing about their past for the very reason that most humans are full of shit publicly versus privately.
I agree, Josh. Although I don't follow specific cases as much there are many problems in our public discourse with sexual transitioning in general, and you've touched on an important discrepancy that would lend a great deal of erudition if we could only openly discuss the problems instead of just venting hysterically on social media for click bait. The fact that fights online are monetized and not reasonable discussion is much of the problem. What's crazy is the fact that the feminists simply will not view men and women as equals. I don't think they realize that they attribute agency to men and lack of agency to women which is, of course, dehumanizing to both. I grew up during a time when male chauvanism was open and blatant. A woman was just supposed to accept herself as an inferior being with not much to contribute to the world. The feminism I grew up with seems to have rectified this. But since the 90's, so much of feminism has just become chauvanism in reverse with an added obsession with abortion.
Meanwhile, I see husbands and wives together and happy all the time. Feminism, for probably most of the general public, has been left behind.
Since I don't know the specific comments to which you're responding, I can't speak to them, but I think you may be conflating responses to "drag" and "trans".
Drag Queens aren't trying to pass as women. Quite the contrary: the whole point is that we know they're actually men. Drag is meant to subvert the male/female binary, either for comedy or ideological purposes (or both). The ideological point is that gender is a performance, a role we adopt that has no necessary relation to biology.
For this reason, the performance can't be too convincing or realistic. We can't be fooled into thinking the performer is genuinely female, because then the binary is affirmed rather than subverted. So the performance has to be a stylized, cartoonish, over-the-top caricature of (mostly negative) female stereotypes. When this cartoon persona is just a theatrical conceit, maybe we can suspend disbelief and play along with the joke. But when he presents this persona as his "authentic self" in real-world settings, he's conflating this cartoon version of womanhood with the real thing. Maybe he's not being *deliberately* misogynistic, but it's not unreasonable to view it that way.
People who are "transgender" usually ARE trying to pass as the opposite sex. They're not subverting the male/female binary (per se). They just think they're supposed to be on the other side of it. They don't see this as a performance. MTFs want to be seen as actual no-kidding women. They may be exceptionally bad at it, but they're not deliberately trying to create ambiguity.
Granted, in practice, these concepts overlap and get muddled, because we're dealing with people who are crazy and/or evil. Some people who claim to be "transgender" are really just doing a version of drag, and vice versa.
Great point, but today, these concepts intentionally overlap in the public sphere.
The problem is that women want all the protections that were put in place to keep them safe while bearing children while at the same time rejecting that most sacred duty. That's why women are schizophrenic on the issue. They want the deference and protections because you can't fundamentally change female nature in a few generations. This ease and safety is new and won't last. Men are asking why they still have to sacrifice everything to women when they have equal privileges but no responsibilities; and women cry equality until the hormones kick in and they suddenly want a child, then millenia of sexual dimorphism takes over and all they want is a walled garden free of predators, but only a man can make that, and they've driven them all away. And that's why they're all insane.
Hey, Josh, I see your point. This is also one of Janice Fiamengo's arguments (she used to be a favorite when she did those great videos on academic feminism, but, ultimately, her attachment to men's rights is superficially Freudian: I finally found a good guy to marry, so I stopped going to "take back the night" marches"). I stopped listening to her, but my Sunday nights are all about "Disaffected." Anyhow, my experience has been a little different, and I'm curious if others would agree. First, I hear many podcasts with "trans women" and male de-transitioners, in which trauma is explored very thoroughly, as it should be. I also notice that there are fewer podcasts about "trans men." Second, "FTMs" are less visible, because it is easier for women, especially butch women, to pass. They still have the body mass of women and are unlikely to do much harm. If they go to a male prison, they will be pregnant (unless they've had a hysterectomy, of course), or experience violence (I can say it in a "voice," but it is still logically true.) Third, I've never seen a video of a "trans man" yelling "Call me sir!" at McDonald's. That honor is left to blue-haired non-binary kindergarten teachers and "trans women." I conclude that the latter are more narcissistic. Somehow, "trans men" seem less narcissistic, but I could be wrong. I simply cannot see Buck Angel and that "being a girl" guy (forget the name) in the same way. I know my response is controversial. YMMV.
Dylan Mulvaney?
Yes, thank you.
Yeah, I think anyone who is afflicted with intense feelings of unease in their body should regarded with compassion. I just tend to be more wary of men because they are the gender that overwhelmingly behaves in violent and predatory ways.
Agreed. Their behavior is also more entitled: they browbeat us into seeing what we cannot see: their womanhood and their right to destroy women in sports. This entitlement makes many less willing to explore the traumatic antecedents of their behavior. And no, not all men are entitled and predatory (for the cheap seats in the back).
Agreed, and there is also no trans man equivalent of the sort of news stories posted on https://reduxx.info
But there is this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/alex-consani-shares-message-of-hope-after-becoming-first-trans-woman-to-win-model-of-the-year/ar-AA1vcilk?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=84d2092041c5451a8af63018e8c8a87c&ei=17
Idk, there is a lot of sympathy for young transitioners e.g. Jazz Jennings, and FTM are more likely to be young or unattractive women. I think there is some sympathy out there for feminine-looking guys who are better received as women than men.
There is less sympathy for fetishists, who are almost exclusively MTF.