Well, it looks like it’s going to be like I told some guy from Florida, they’re going to acquire a whole bunch of Orthodox Jews, who statistically vote like Evangelical Christians, not all the liberal Jewish folk, at least until really bad things start happening.
I think that it was inevitable that Jews would at some point be thrown out of the Oppressed coalition and be deemed “Oppressors.” They have just been too successful as measured by education, income or wealth.
Ironically, any individual or group that contributes to society will suffer the same fate. Fortunately, this seriously limits the growth of their coalition as all successful individuals or groups will be eventually cast out and only the dysfunctional remain.
I doubt victim pandering will lose its appeal. It is too easy to blame everyone but yourself for your problems. That said, the real victims are ordinary Americans of all stripes. Our government has been and continues to loot them through inflation, a flood of illegal immigrants who suppress wages, outsourcing jobs to foreign countries, and the pornification of our culture. The evidence is everywhere. Young people living with parents. Suicide and OD rates. Declining birth rates.
Hmmm! I don’t know that the left moved you to an “oppressor” category, but you had no value after you committed yourself to the left because they put you into the group they felt they had control over!!!Now on to another “true believer” who wants to be loved and feel superior to those who are doing the oppressing—in your mind only! You created a false universe!!!
Why do you think I'm "true believer?" Did you not understand the part where I wrote that I had changed my mind politically? You seem to think I'm still a leftist, and you seem to want to insult.
As you point out, first it was me being white, then cis-male, then white-cis-hetero-blah-blah-blah. The anti Jew stuff coincided with Oct 7th, 2023. And to Josh's point, the Woke don't care, they just hate 'oppressors' and have convinced themselves Israel is just that.
And, this idea of Oppressor/Oppressed has met up with actual AntiSemites who wish to use the 'useful idiots' to do their bidding.
Point being, Josh is correct that the Woke are more obsessed with their own crap.
You are correct, it takes personal pain to finally break free. I grew up in the San Francisco Bay area with super liberal Berkeley college parents. I believed in everything the left said and voted accordingly until they went after police. My husband is a police officer and a minority. Of course that didn't matter to them , they only saw blue and therefore he was evil to them. It was incredibly painful and I lost some family members over it, but suddenly I was awake. I had voted Democrat then went back to sleep my entire life, never asking questions. I can see how blind and foolish I was, I can see all the lies, the amount of control they had over me. My mother exhibited BPD and narcissistic behaviors, so I too had a lot of abuse growing up and never connected that to my affiliation to the left. I am sorry for what you went through, my heart breaks at the abuse you suffered. Thank you for your bravery, for speaking out, being willing to stand up against their garbage. Because of you and others like you, who were willing to say it first, I got the strength to stand up too. I stand on the shoulders of giants like you who said it first! I hope it will be enough to wake everyone up and turn our great country back to western values and common decency.
"The left hates freedom of thought and action, it hates personal responsibility, and it hates success. Anyone who evinces any of these qualities will be called an oppressor, and she will be targeted."
This really rings true. I don't have a Twitter account, but I occasionally browse the publically available feeds of profiles that are entertaining. I've noticed a trend of progressives attacking their fellow progressives when they actually do something productive.
What little of the history of the Jews in Europe I am aware of has led me to a conclusion. Those Jews produced above average individuals at a rate greater than the ethnic populations that they were guests within. And as is natural, those above average Jews pursued success. Many of them pursued the trappings of eliteness, from within those populations they were guests in. And quite regularly, when the predominant ethnic or religious group within which they lived reacted negatively to the competitive pressure of exceptional Jews, the native population persecuted or expelled those Jews. Because they were culturally separate. Because their loyalties to the larger group were uncertain.
The Jews experience in Europe has revealed something about human nature. It is VERY hard to obtain and maintain solidarity across large groups of people. About the best we have done is create homogeneous nations, that separate groups, which cannot maintain solidarity, by geographic lines. And these seem to reach the limits of their size when they have expanded to cover the territory that shares the same coherent culture. There are some exceptions which allow nations to grow larger. America federates slightly different cultures (States) together into a nation. Russia maintains an Imperial occupation of lesser peoples, slowly ingesting them into the predominant Russian culture. Something similar occurs in China - lesser cultures and ethnicities are being absorbed into Han China.
The Jews in western nations should face the fact that seeking acceptance in that nation’s elite is a highly risky and volatile business. There are some places it seems to have been possible (America and the Commonwealth countries), but even those nations have a relatively short track record. “The Left” probably at one point was a fixation of certain Jews because it seemed to promise inoculation against being “othered”. But that seems utterly delusional today. If you wish to keep your Jewish identity, and you wish to be as secure as possible, you likely should start with accepting that certain things are counterproductive (membership in the progressive movement, for example). Perhaps being American first, and Jewish second, can work - only time will tell. Perhaps moving to embattled Israel, fraught as it seems now, is the only way to stave off the betrayal of a larger non-Jewish culture. I am uncertain. But the old coping strategies do not work over a long time period.
Christian populations in the west may encounter a similar situation soon - being minorities inside larger societies that question their loyalties. We’re watching you (Jews) and wondering whether we’ll be next.
The supreme groups are trans and Palestine. All the other groups are now sitting in the back of the bus unless they claim homage to these two groups. You're a horrible gay if you don't want to have sex with a dude that wants to be a woman even though boobs and a vagina aren't your thing. You're a horrible gay if you don't support people that would burn you at the stake.
Black men are still the supreme immutable group, due to being the most violently criminal group and being past victims of slavery; to the liberal, their violence is evidence of their oppwession. And non-white migrants into white countries, bonus points if illegal or in mass, are on tier with Palestinians, because their invasion and colonization is evidence of their oppwession.
But “the only consistent challenger to EVERY potential opponent, even another shitlib pet, is the troon... and I don't mean a preened and relatively "normal" troon - I mean a hairy, fetishistic, porn addicted, pedophile lumberjack in a skirt.
He's currently the overpowered final boss in the shitlib pet issue matchups because he is social harm personified.
...
Whenever two shitlib pet issues clash with each other, there are always giddy spectators who pop some popcorn and fantasize about the clash bamboozling shitlibs.
As though the shitlib will be confused as to “which side” to take when their ideological toys are fighting.
But they won't. The formula for determining which side the shitlib will support is really very simple: the victor will always be whatever identity causes the most social harm.
Black nurse versus racist, pedophilic troon? Immediate KO, the troon wins. Doesn't matter that he's a "bigot." The black nurse might have had a fighting chance if she were a troon too, but alas.
Woman raped or assaulted by Persons of Houselessness? You already know.
A few months ago there were some lesbians beaten up by a gang of Syrian refugees in Canada. Guess who won that idpol showdown? The Syrians, with ease.
The shitlib hierarchy is not purely based on identity, it is based on the net social harm caused by that identity.
This logic works even if the calculation is more complex. Take an immigrant hijabi aesthetician who is religiously prohibited from touching the body of a man, and a racist white troon targets her shop and demands she wax his ball hairs.
The example might sound familiar to some, because it really did happen. And the troon ultimately won, as far as the shitlib ideological showdown is concerned.
It doesn’t matter that the hijabi had multiple shitlib credit points (Muslim, brown, female). The troon causes more net social harm on the whole, even if he gets deductions for race and racism.
Criminals, terrorists, and the omnirace swarm will top almost every battle against a generally non-harmful entity. Doesn't matter if they're domestic abusers, or pedophiles, or racists, or sexists, or homophobes... whoever causes the most net social harm will win. Hence why we frequently see truly bizarre outcomes we think would be contradictory to the shitlib ideology but are allowed to thrive without issue - like libfems defending rapists or breadtubers being misogynist or racist. There is no real contradiction so long as the social harm is appropriately ranked.” - @Slatzism on X
Part of this whole rise in "anti-semitism" problem is the fact that people seem to have a hard time keeping the distinction between Jewish people and the state of Israel. They are not one and the same. I can have disdain for what the state of Israel is doing to innocent Palestinians, and at the same time not hold the regular, everyday Jewish person accountable for what is going on over there. Both sides have a long history, with both having done horrible things to the other side. And also yes, like anyone who has historically been among a "minority", they have been used as pawns in the wider game of political chess.
What I'm coming to understand is that everyone, whether one belongs to a "minority group" or not, is being used in some capacity by these abusers and parasites.
I see. So, antisemitism against the fringe Jews who don't support Israel is unacceptable, but hatred of Jews who do support Israel is understandable and justifiable.
My disdain for what the government of Israel is doing to innocent people in Palestine is not rooted in hatred for anyone. The fact that I have to explicitly state that is ridiculous and a perfect illustration of the clouded thinking that so many supporters of (any war) fall prey to. My issue is with the killing of innocent people, (whomever they may be) not ThE jEwS.
If you hadn't already given yourself away by twice accusing Israel of "killing innocent Palestinians," while managing not to mention Hamas once, you did with "ThE jEwS."
And by the way, genius, innocent people die in wars, especially ones started by a terrorist group that takes, murders, and still holds hostages. Congrats on being against all wars. You're doing so much to help those innocent Palestinians.
I will be sure to do that. And yes, I understand that innocent people die in wars (on both sides), which is precisely why I'm against them. The conflict in the Middle East has a long history and everyone involved has blood on their hands. Continuing that bloodshed is not something that I would like to see, (or be forced to fund with my tax dollars). I'm sorry if that offends you.
To the extent that progressives in Vermont or anywhere demonize people for being Jewish it's antisemitism.
Yet you are correct that something deeper and more sinister is in play.
Progressives reject any concept of individual worth. Any person's value is necessarily confined to whatever arbitrary demographic progressives assign them.
Fundamentally, this is the same sin of segregation Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, called out and condemned in "Letter from a Birmingham Jail. " This is the same replacement of the moral and natural "I-thou" relationship with one predicated on "I-it". This is the same dehumanizing reduction of people to the status of things.
Within this mindset demographics are moved up and down the progressive value pyramid almost whimsically. The "oppressed" groups of yesterday are the "oppressing" groups of tomorrow.
There is no reasoning with this mindset, because to any who are in thrall to it you literally do not exist.
Progressives despise all of humanity--including themselves.
The "Left" is a cult that extracts and exploits minorities to feed its illusion of benevolence, just like a narcissist. Jews were a convenient resource and get discarded like the rest. Too many Jews sell their souls to political cults thinking the ideology will protect us and that assimilating will make us more acceptable. It never worked before and won't work now.
Thank you for trying to talk sense. I hope some from that group are listening.
It is kind of a wild ride to realize that the political, ideological group you cling to, the group you believed stood for compassion and kindness, actually hates you.
It was kind of a different experience for me, because no progressive ever pretended to like my group (Mormon in Utah). But even so, it hit me hard when I realized that every political mailer my party (Democrats) sent out treated me like I was the enemy. That every progressive writing comments at the news sites bashed me. It was disorienting when I finally saw it.
It helped me when I finally realized that the "compassion" and "kindness" in the progressive and political sense was just performative bullshit, it always had been and always would be.
I know so many who aren't hearing it yet - believing that the Left represents compassion and morality is so core to my family's belief system.
The Forward (forward.com) is a liberal Jewish website in New York City that thinks Zohran Mamdani is no big deal.
https://forward.com/opinion/732094/zohran-mamdani-antisemitism-intifada-meaning/
Well, it looks like it’s going to be like I told some guy from Florida, they’re going to acquire a whole bunch of Orthodox Jews, who statistically vote like Evangelical Christians, not all the liberal Jewish folk, at least until really bad things start happening.
Half my family is completely unhinged.
You’re lucky it’s only half!
Your a good man Josh. Keep plugging away and you will help those who have ears to hear. The ones that don’t will suffer from slavery to wokeism.
I think that it was inevitable that Jews would at some point be thrown out of the Oppressed coalition and be deemed “Oppressors.” They have just been too successful as measured by education, income or wealth.
Ironically, any individual or group that contributes to society will suffer the same fate. Fortunately, this seriously limits the growth of their coalition as all successful individuals or groups will be eventually cast out and only the dysfunctional remain.
The very reason Asians were never “in” the group.
I doubt victim pandering will lose its appeal. It is too easy to blame everyone but yourself for your problems. That said, the real victims are ordinary Americans of all stripes. Our government has been and continues to loot them through inflation, a flood of illegal immigrants who suppress wages, outsourcing jobs to foreign countries, and the pornification of our culture. The evidence is everywhere. Young people living with parents. Suicide and OD rates. Declining birth rates.
America is dying.
I hope we save it.
Josh, this reminds me of the quote (I think by Mattias Desmet?) that “totalitarianism is a monster that devours its own children.”
Hmmm! I don’t know that the left moved you to an “oppressor” category, but you had no value after you committed yourself to the left because they put you into the group they felt they had control over!!!Now on to another “true believer” who wants to be loved and feel superior to those who are doing the oppressing—in your mind only! You created a false universe!!!
Why do you think I'm "true believer?" Did you not understand the part where I wrote that I had changed my mind politically? You seem to think I'm still a leftist, and you seem to want to insult.
Sorry—thought I was responding to someone else!!! Should leave this stuff alone and go finish packing!!! Again!!! SORRY!!!
No problem:) It's easy to get it wrong on social media, I know.
As you point out, first it was me being white, then cis-male, then white-cis-hetero-blah-blah-blah. The anti Jew stuff coincided with Oct 7th, 2023. And to Josh's point, the Woke don't care, they just hate 'oppressors' and have convinced themselves Israel is just that.
And, this idea of Oppressor/Oppressed has met up with actual AntiSemites who wish to use the 'useful idiots' to do their bidding.
Point being, Josh is correct that the Woke are more obsessed with their own crap.
You are correct, it takes personal pain to finally break free. I grew up in the San Francisco Bay area with super liberal Berkeley college parents. I believed in everything the left said and voted accordingly until they went after police. My husband is a police officer and a minority. Of course that didn't matter to them , they only saw blue and therefore he was evil to them. It was incredibly painful and I lost some family members over it, but suddenly I was awake. I had voted Democrat then went back to sleep my entire life, never asking questions. I can see how blind and foolish I was, I can see all the lies, the amount of control they had over me. My mother exhibited BPD and narcissistic behaviors, so I too had a lot of abuse growing up and never connected that to my affiliation to the left. I am sorry for what you went through, my heart breaks at the abuse you suffered. Thank you for your bravery, for speaking out, being willing to stand up against their garbage. Because of you and others like you, who were willing to say it first, I got the strength to stand up too. I stand on the shoulders of giants like you who said it first! I hope it will be enough to wake everyone up and turn our great country back to western values and common decency.
Thank you for the kind words. It's pleasing to see other people realize it, and pull themselves out of the abuse. It makes it worth it.
"The left hates freedom of thought and action, it hates personal responsibility, and it hates success. Anyone who evinces any of these qualities will be called an oppressor, and she will be targeted."
This really rings true. I don't have a Twitter account, but I occasionally browse the publically available feeds of profiles that are entertaining. I've noticed a trend of progressives attacking their fellow progressives when they actually do something productive.
Bingo!
What little of the history of the Jews in Europe I am aware of has led me to a conclusion. Those Jews produced above average individuals at a rate greater than the ethnic populations that they were guests within. And as is natural, those above average Jews pursued success. Many of them pursued the trappings of eliteness, from within those populations they were guests in. And quite regularly, when the predominant ethnic or religious group within which they lived reacted negatively to the competitive pressure of exceptional Jews, the native population persecuted or expelled those Jews. Because they were culturally separate. Because their loyalties to the larger group were uncertain.
The Jews experience in Europe has revealed something about human nature. It is VERY hard to obtain and maintain solidarity across large groups of people. About the best we have done is create homogeneous nations, that separate groups, which cannot maintain solidarity, by geographic lines. And these seem to reach the limits of their size when they have expanded to cover the territory that shares the same coherent culture. There are some exceptions which allow nations to grow larger. America federates slightly different cultures (States) together into a nation. Russia maintains an Imperial occupation of lesser peoples, slowly ingesting them into the predominant Russian culture. Something similar occurs in China - lesser cultures and ethnicities are being absorbed into Han China.
The Jews in western nations should face the fact that seeking acceptance in that nation’s elite is a highly risky and volatile business. There are some places it seems to have been possible (America and the Commonwealth countries), but even those nations have a relatively short track record. “The Left” probably at one point was a fixation of certain Jews because it seemed to promise inoculation against being “othered”. But that seems utterly delusional today. If you wish to keep your Jewish identity, and you wish to be as secure as possible, you likely should start with accepting that certain things are counterproductive (membership in the progressive movement, for example). Perhaps being American first, and Jewish second, can work - only time will tell. Perhaps moving to embattled Israel, fraught as it seems now, is the only way to stave off the betrayal of a larger non-Jewish culture. I am uncertain. But the old coping strategies do not work over a long time period.
Christian populations in the west may encounter a similar situation soon - being minorities inside larger societies that question their loyalties. We’re watching you (Jews) and wondering whether we’ll be next.
The supreme groups are trans and Palestine. All the other groups are now sitting in the back of the bus unless they claim homage to these two groups. You're a horrible gay if you don't want to have sex with a dude that wants to be a woman even though boobs and a vagina aren't your thing. You're a horrible gay if you don't support people that would burn you at the stake.
Welcome to 2025.
That is the sad truth.
Black men are still the supreme immutable group, due to being the most violently criminal group and being past victims of slavery; to the liberal, their violence is evidence of their oppwession. And non-white migrants into white countries, bonus points if illegal or in mass, are on tier with Palestinians, because their invasion and colonization is evidence of their oppwession.
But “the only consistent challenger to EVERY potential opponent, even another shitlib pet, is the troon... and I don't mean a preened and relatively "normal" troon - I mean a hairy, fetishistic, porn addicted, pedophile lumberjack in a skirt.
He's currently the overpowered final boss in the shitlib pet issue matchups because he is social harm personified.
...
Whenever two shitlib pet issues clash with each other, there are always giddy spectators who pop some popcorn and fantasize about the clash bamboozling shitlibs.
As though the shitlib will be confused as to “which side” to take when their ideological toys are fighting.
But they won't. The formula for determining which side the shitlib will support is really very simple: the victor will always be whatever identity causes the most social harm.
Black nurse versus racist, pedophilic troon? Immediate KO, the troon wins. Doesn't matter that he's a "bigot." The black nurse might have had a fighting chance if she were a troon too, but alas.
Woman raped or assaulted by Persons of Houselessness? You already know.
A few months ago there were some lesbians beaten up by a gang of Syrian refugees in Canada. Guess who won that idpol showdown? The Syrians, with ease.
The shitlib hierarchy is not purely based on identity, it is based on the net social harm caused by that identity.
This logic works even if the calculation is more complex. Take an immigrant hijabi aesthetician who is religiously prohibited from touching the body of a man, and a racist white troon targets her shop and demands she wax his ball hairs.
The example might sound familiar to some, because it really did happen. And the troon ultimately won, as far as the shitlib ideological showdown is concerned.
It doesn’t matter that the hijabi had multiple shitlib credit points (Muslim, brown, female). The troon causes more net social harm on the whole, even if he gets deductions for race and racism.
Criminals, terrorists, and the omnirace swarm will top almost every battle against a generally non-harmful entity. Doesn't matter if they're domestic abusers, or pedophiles, or racists, or sexists, or homophobes... whoever causes the most net social harm will win. Hence why we frequently see truly bizarre outcomes we think would be contradictory to the shitlib ideology but are allowed to thrive without issue - like libfems defending rapists or breadtubers being misogynist or racist. There is no real contradiction so long as the social harm is appropriately ranked.” - @Slatzism on X
Hunh. I had not grasped the "social harm" aspect of the hierarchy, but now that I've read it, it's amazingly obvious.
Part of this whole rise in "anti-semitism" problem is the fact that people seem to have a hard time keeping the distinction between Jewish people and the state of Israel. They are not one and the same. I can have disdain for what the state of Israel is doing to innocent Palestinians, and at the same time not hold the regular, everyday Jewish person accountable for what is going on over there. Both sides have a long history, with both having done horrible things to the other side. And also yes, like anyone who has historically been among a "minority", they have been used as pawns in the wider game of political chess.
What I'm coming to understand is that everyone, whether one belongs to a "minority group" or not, is being used in some capacity by these abusers and parasites.
I see. So, antisemitism against the fringe Jews who don't support Israel is unacceptable, but hatred of Jews who do support Israel is understandable and justifiable.
*big ass eye roll*
My disdain for what the government of Israel is doing to innocent people in Palestine is not rooted in hatred for anyone. The fact that I have to explicitly state that is ridiculous and a perfect illustration of the clouded thinking that so many supporters of (any war) fall prey to. My issue is with the killing of innocent people, (whomever they may be) not ThE jEwS.
If you hadn't already given yourself away by twice accusing Israel of "killing innocent Palestinians," while managing not to mention Hamas once, you did with "ThE jEwS."
And by the way, genius, innocent people die in wars, especially ones started by a terrorist group that takes, murders, and still holds hostages. Congrats on being against all wars. You're doing so much to help those innocent Palestinians.
Fuck off, asshole.
I will be sure to do that. And yes, I understand that innocent people die in wars (on both sides), which is precisely why I'm against them. The conflict in the Middle East has a long history and everyone involved has blood on their hands. Continuing that bloodshed is not something that I would like to see, (or be forced to fund with my tax dollars). I'm sorry if that offends you.
Oh, it's about your "tax dollars." OK. Haven't heard that one before.
Have fun at Glastonbury!
Nice!!! :-)
To the extent that progressives in Vermont or anywhere demonize people for being Jewish it's antisemitism.
Yet you are correct that something deeper and more sinister is in play.
Progressives reject any concept of individual worth. Any person's value is necessarily confined to whatever arbitrary demographic progressives assign them.
Fundamentally, this is the same sin of segregation Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, called out and condemned in "Letter from a Birmingham Jail. " This is the same replacement of the moral and natural "I-thou" relationship with one predicated on "I-it". This is the same dehumanizing reduction of people to the status of things.
Within this mindset demographics are moved up and down the progressive value pyramid almost whimsically. The "oppressed" groups of yesterday are the "oppressing" groups of tomorrow.
There is no reasoning with this mindset, because to any who are in thrall to it you literally do not exist.
Progressives despise all of humanity--including themselves.
The "Left" is a cult that extracts and exploits minorities to feed its illusion of benevolence, just like a narcissist. Jews were a convenient resource and get discarded like the rest. Too many Jews sell their souls to political cults thinking the ideology will protect us and that assimilating will make us more acceptable. It never worked before and won't work now.
Thank you for trying to talk sense. I hope some from that group are listening.
It is kind of a wild ride to realize that the political, ideological group you cling to, the group you believed stood for compassion and kindness, actually hates you.
It was kind of a different experience for me, because no progressive ever pretended to like my group (Mormon in Utah). But even so, it hit me hard when I realized that every political mailer my party (Democrats) sent out treated me like I was the enemy. That every progressive writing comments at the news sites bashed me. It was disorienting when I finally saw it.
It helped me when I finally realized that the "compassion" and "kindness" in the progressive and political sense was just performative bullshit, it always had been and always would be.