Today was the first time I'd heard the term “dolls.” “Dolls” is actually a pretty good name for them, because they've been reduced to nothing more than political props for the Democrats to use.
I guess I'd consider it a co-created dynamic: the trannies seem very eager to be used, and the cisgender leftists are very eager to use them! A sick form of symbiosis.
I use the term "cisgender" only because it's an easy way to distinguish between those who are trans and those who aren't. We don't really have an alternative word that means the same thing as "cisgender." I use the word for the sake of clarity, not because I actually buy into any of the trans nonsense. My intent is not to perpetuate anything--quite the opposite! I don't think using the word "cisgender" implies support for the agenda any more than using the word "transgender" does. I use the word "pro-choice" to describe abortion advocates even though I very strongly oppose their agenda. "Pro-choice" is a positive term ONLY if you first assume that choice is always a good thing.
Personally, I wouldn't use the term "cis woman" unless I'm trying to make it abundantly clear that I'm referring to biological women only. If the extra qualifier isn't needed, I would just use the word "woman" like any normal, sane person.
What term would you suggest as a replacement for "cisgender"?
I actually think "dolls" is the most unsettling, disgusting term they could employ. Dolls have always been toys that GIRLS use to play pretend, dress-up, and make believe with. Her shirt with that ghoulish face is one of the most genuinely predatory images I have seen come out of this whole cultural degradation.
Oh yeah, it's ALL kinds of creepy. Another angle I thought of: imagine if a heteroseuxal man ever referred to biological women in general as "dolls" or any similar term! He'd be considered misogynstic or borderline misogynistic (and probably a dirty old man). So if use that term to describe actual women, it means you hate women...but use the same term to describe FAKE women and it's suddenly awesome and empowering?? Up is down and left is right, I guess.
Yes. It's a complete double standard. Lots of men that used to use the term "doll" or "doll-face" were not doing it to be sexist or dismissive. It was just a generic, complimentary terms. But like everything else that made mention of women's looks- it got branded as demeaning.
Transgenders are mentally ill. It is possible to work past it in all but the worst cases. I've seen some of the abuse that you took on Twatter. Some stalked you into other discussions; wow, the triggered went nuts. I got one of them to defend eating poop. Madonna was a cultural icon in the 80s; somewhere along the way, she sold her soul to become this caricature of a person that demonstrated the Current Thing.
My favourite Madonna period was around Cherish when she had the short blonde do before the Gaultier pointy bra look. But the dark forces driving her may not be corporate ones. I remember long ago a 60Mins story about some local schmuck who apparently was M's first love in high school but she couldn't have. So she left for NY and did the whole if-I-can-make-it-here/anywhere thing.
Fun fact: simply labeling someone insane doesn't make it true (and also doesn't disprove anything they've said). Words are not magic spells. It's the first rule of debate, which 95% of Internet commenters seem to be incapable of remembering.
Transgender affirming medical care goes against everything in the Hippocratic oath. I work in healthcare, this is an obscene travesty. I stand with no transitioning of any kind, for any age. Let them larp as a crossdresser if they must. Unfortunately, the rest of the medical field doesn’t agree with me. But I suspect mainstream Americans do.
First of all, I always love your prose as even your use of profanity is super measured and exact. The words hit as they should.
Secondly, I’ve definitely written things like the post you mention though that’s probably because I abhor things that seem overly emotional as a reflex. I have a need to calm shit down due to an extremely unstable household growing up (though I remember when you posted that Madonna thing on twitter and found myself agreeing with you). However, I can see how it could also be more nefarious after this post. I find it incredibly hard to detect though. I have some blind spots: I tend to believe the best in people despite some evidence to the contrary and I don’t tend to use words in a sneaky way and try to he quite precise. But, it’s foolish to assume others would do the same.
Lastly, I have at least 2 friends (formerly butch lesbians) who transitioned a few years back and they went the whole way. They seemed happier on the surface but one at least still struggles with a lot of anger so I was occasionally wondering how well it worked. I was at a point where I felt that if it was the absolute last results that I didn’t mind but that feels like that’s changing. You charging directly at it helps quite a bit so thanks for your words. I really just hope my friends are okay.
I do, actually, understand what you're saying, and why you react as you do. You know what kind of house I grew up in, and I know what it must have been like for you. Believe it or not, I too was the "calmer downer." The guy you see now is not the same person I was most of my life.
Being a "calmer downer" doesn't do what we hope it will. When you do that inappropriately (simply because you're emotionally upset that someone else is using strong language, not bothering to discern whether it's true or justified before you try to tamp it down), you end up being a flying monkey, an enabler, for abusive people. They will use you to shut down truth tellers.
Nothing I said in my original post about Madonna justifies someone calling me "unhinged." Nothing. Not even close. That's terrible behavior.
You really are a nasty, dishonest piece of work. It was you, not me, who insulted. It was you, not me, who called me unhinged and tried (feminine style) to "call me out" to get me on board with your trans project.
You did that, Chris Bass. The Cluster B style manipulation was you, Chris Bass.
You got smacked back because you deserved it, and now you're trying to massage it by diagnosing me with NPD. It's a very typical reversal. You're the nasty, wheedling, dishonest manipulator that I knew you were. It was obvious your entire goal was to get to "I want to say Josh has a mental illness, and I'm willing to be abusive to do it."
You learned your lessons at home well, Chris. I, too, grew up with Cluster B parents. You remind me of my mother.
A lot of us have thought of her that way since the 80s. I did not let my kids listen to her when they were in my care. I'm no prude, but she seemed toxic. Witchy and whorish. I don't think it's unhinged to call it like you see it.
"You called Madonna a witch and a whore, and you're crying about being called 'unhinged.'"
She completely presented herself as just such a person. Her whole persona during her peak was "Marilyn Monroe, only naughtier." She also has a reputation for being horrible to her staff.
She's Cluster B, like most Hollywood women, and stating it directly in plain language is the opposite of unhinged.
So what if Josh thinks Madonna is awful? You can simply say "no, she's not" without engaging in all this drama.
Yeah, it’s definitely is something to consider for myself. It also enters into how I process my own emotions. I’m extra careful and analyse before reacting (probably too often. It might help to occasionally truly voice my displeasure. But it helps as a teacher because I get quieter when annoyed and they slowly straighten up their posture etc.) I don’t like to fly off the handle, it sickens me lol
I will say that being the “calmer downer” helped fend off possible bullies and needless fist fights. I can fight if I need to but I’d rather not (gets dangerous and you never know if someone is carrying weapons, I heard too many stories about Chicago from my father lol)
If he's like I used to be with my idols, including her, it's about personal insecurity (I know you know this already). Celebrity mental "trauma bonds," for lack of a better word, work like believing in a fairy godmother. I had a long, obsessive head-relationship with Madonna for decades. I reacted in a dysregulated way to any criticism of her.
That makes sense- I never thought of idolatry in that way because it’s not the god who needs the human’s protection. In Madonna’s case, criticising her is blasphemous and therefore allows your new friend to disparage you to honour her. Wow is that nuts.
I have no dog 🐕 in this fight (I’m a straight 60 year old woman, not a Madonna fan, and I never use Twitter). I just respect your courage to voice your position in the ‘damn the torpedos, full speed ahead’ post that you convey so well. Madonna has been virtue signaling for so long it’s no longer credible or influential anyway. Turns out, you may be more transgressive.
Madonna sold her soul to the demonic underworld long ago. As a young girl in the 80s I loved her look, her music, her edginess, but then she morphed into something different altogether. And continue to morph into the Adrenochrome sucking creature, we see today. Her heart is as black as her soul. How very very sad.
Madonna exhibits one of the saddest states of a person. Irrelevant in a world she’s so desperate to be relevant in. She’s that 55 year old gay man I’d see dancing shirtless at the Roxy, desperate to “fit in.” Notice Christine W is still not trying to b a 22 year old sex kitten. Neither did Tina Turner.
I tried to click like on this but it won't let me!
Today was the first time I'd heard the term “dolls.” “Dolls” is actually a pretty good name for them, because they've been reduced to nothing more than political props for the Democrats to use.
They've reduced themselves. They're not victims, they're perpetrators.
I guess I'd consider it a co-created dynamic: the trannies seem very eager to be used, and the cisgender leftists are very eager to use them! A sick form of symbiosis.
There is no "cisgender." Stop perpetuating the nonsense.
I use the term "cisgender" only because it's an easy way to distinguish between those who are trans and those who aren't. We don't really have an alternative word that means the same thing as "cisgender." I use the word for the sake of clarity, not because I actually buy into any of the trans nonsense. My intent is not to perpetuate anything--quite the opposite! I don't think using the word "cisgender" implies support for the agenda any more than using the word "transgender" does. I use the word "pro-choice" to describe abortion advocates even though I very strongly oppose their agenda. "Pro-choice" is a positive term ONLY if you first assume that choice is always a good thing.
Pro-choice is a neutral term nobody on that side objects to.
Cisgender is an insulting neologism.
I am a woman. NOT a ciswoman.
Personally, I wouldn't use the term "cis woman" unless I'm trying to make it abundantly clear that I'm referring to biological women only. If the extra qualifier isn't needed, I would just use the word "woman" like any normal, sane person.
What term would you suggest as a replacement for "cisgender"?
Strikes a similar visualization blow up plastic “dolls” with perpetually open holes for mouths. And other abuses. Fitting to the cultural affect.
I actually think "dolls" is the most unsettling, disgusting term they could employ. Dolls have always been toys that GIRLS use to play pretend, dress-up, and make believe with. Her shirt with that ghoulish face is one of the most genuinely predatory images I have seen come out of this whole cultural degradation.
Oh yeah, it's ALL kinds of creepy. Another angle I thought of: imagine if a heteroseuxal man ever referred to biological women in general as "dolls" or any similar term! He'd be considered misogynstic or borderline misogynistic (and probably a dirty old man). So if use that term to describe actual women, it means you hate women...but use the same term to describe FAKE women and it's suddenly awesome and empowering?? Up is down and left is right, I guess.
Yes. It's a complete double standard. Lots of men that used to use the term "doll" or "doll-face" were not doing it to be sexist or dismissive. It was just a generic, complimentary terms. But like everything else that made mention of women's looks- it got branded as demeaning.
I loved my dolls as a child, dressing them and play acting with my sister and friends. Men pretending to be women are the ones playing.
Transgenders are mentally ill. It is possible to work past it in all but the worst cases. I've seen some of the abuse that you took on Twatter. Some stalked you into other discussions; wow, the triggered went nuts. I got one of them to defend eating poop. Madonna was a cultural icon in the 80s; somewhere along the way, she sold her soul to become this caricature of a person that demonstrated the Current Thing.
Exactly. I don't think she will ever be avant-garde again.
"Madonna was a cultural icon in the 80s; somewhere along the way, she sold her soul "
The sale of her soul was finalized BEFORE she became an idol; otherwise, they'd never have let her become big.
My favourite Madonna period was around Cherish when she had the short blonde do before the Gaultier pointy bra look. But the dark forces driving her may not be corporate ones. I remember long ago a 60Mins story about some local schmuck who apparently was M's first love in high school but she couldn't have. So she left for NY and did the whole if-I-can-make-it-here/anywhere thing.
Jesus christ, you're as unhinged and insane as they are. Good luck.
Show the world who you are.
I thought I was on the same side as you but apparently not
You keep lying. "That sounds really unhinged bro."
Then, "Jesus Christ, you're as unhinged and insane as they are."
No, you didn't think that. You're just a liar.
Fun fact: simply labeling someone insane doesn't make it true (and also doesn't disprove anything they've said). Words are not magic spells. It's the first rule of debate, which 95% of Internet commenters seem to be incapable of remembering.
"Words are not magic spells." Perfect! And yet, we do treat them as such.
No. He's not.
Why so defensive?
Josh nailed it. All of it.
Transgender affirming medical care goes against everything in the Hippocratic oath. I work in healthcare, this is an obscene travesty. I stand with no transitioning of any kind, for any age. Let them larp as a crossdresser if they must. Unfortunately, the rest of the medical field doesn’t agree with me. But I suspect mainstream Americans do.
It's also highly profitable for both hospitals and the pharmaceutical companies.
Alyson. We lost the Hippocratic Oath when medicine started promoting abortion.
First of all, I always love your prose as even your use of profanity is super measured and exact. The words hit as they should.
Secondly, I’ve definitely written things like the post you mention though that’s probably because I abhor things that seem overly emotional as a reflex. I have a need to calm shit down due to an extremely unstable household growing up (though I remember when you posted that Madonna thing on twitter and found myself agreeing with you). However, I can see how it could also be more nefarious after this post. I find it incredibly hard to detect though. I have some blind spots: I tend to believe the best in people despite some evidence to the contrary and I don’t tend to use words in a sneaky way and try to he quite precise. But, it’s foolish to assume others would do the same.
Lastly, I have at least 2 friends (formerly butch lesbians) who transitioned a few years back and they went the whole way. They seemed happier on the surface but one at least still struggles with a lot of anger so I was occasionally wondering how well it worked. I was at a point where I felt that if it was the absolute last results that I didn’t mind but that feels like that’s changing. You charging directly at it helps quite a bit so thanks for your words. I really just hope my friends are okay.
Thank you for the kind words.
I do, actually, understand what you're saying, and why you react as you do. You know what kind of house I grew up in, and I know what it must have been like for you. Believe it or not, I too was the "calmer downer." The guy you see now is not the same person I was most of my life.
Being a "calmer downer" doesn't do what we hope it will. When you do that inappropriately (simply because you're emotionally upset that someone else is using strong language, not bothering to discern whether it's true or justified before you try to tamp it down), you end up being a flying monkey, an enabler, for abusive people. They will use you to shut down truth tellers.
Nothing I said in my original post about Madonna justifies someone calling me "unhinged." Nothing. Not even close. That's terrible behavior.
You called Madonna a witch and a whore, and you're crying about being called "unhinged."
You sound like you're having issues. U OK?
You really are a nasty, dishonest piece of work. It was you, not me, who insulted. It was you, not me, who called me unhinged and tried (feminine style) to "call me out" to get me on board with your trans project.
You did that, Chris Bass. The Cluster B style manipulation was you, Chris Bass.
You got smacked back because you deserved it, and now you're trying to massage it by diagnosing me with NPD. It's a very typical reversal. You're the nasty, wheedling, dishonest manipulator that I knew you were. It was obvious your entire goal was to get to "I want to say Josh has a mental illness, and I'm willing to be abusive to do it."
You learned your lessons at home well, Chris. I, too, grew up with Cluster B parents. You remind me of my mother.
Unhinged is thinking Madonna is not a witch and a whore.
Hundy!!!
A lot of us have thought of her that way since the 80s. I did not let my kids listen to her when they were in my care. I'm no prude, but she seemed toxic. Witchy and whorish. I don't think it's unhinged to call it like you see it.
Is she not a witch and a whore? Or is it just unacceptable to notice and comment?
"You called Madonna a witch and a whore, and you're crying about being called 'unhinged.'"
She completely presented herself as just such a person. Her whole persona during her peak was "Marilyn Monroe, only naughtier." She also has a reputation for being horrible to her staff.
She's Cluster B, like most Hollywood women, and stating it directly in plain language is the opposite of unhinged.
So what if Josh thinks Madonna is awful? You can simply say "no, she's not" without engaging in all this drama.
Yeah, it’s definitely is something to consider for myself. It also enters into how I process my own emotions. I’m extra careful and analyse before reacting (probably too often. It might help to occasionally truly voice my displeasure. But it helps as a teacher because I get quieter when annoyed and they slowly straighten up their posture etc.) I don’t like to fly off the handle, it sickens me lol
We're all looking for that balance, that discernment. Me too.
I will say that being the “calmer downer” helped fend off possible bullies and needless fist fights. I can fight if I need to but I’d rather not (gets dangerous and you never know if someone is carrying weapons, I heard too many stories about Chicago from my father lol)
Also, being insulting is not necessarily unhinged behavior.
I so agree😉
Josh nailed it. All of it.
I refuse to be forced to participate in anyone’s sexual fantasy.
Protect the perpetrators. She’s off her nut . Love your precisely worded response with the Cluster B mum finale *chef’s kiss*
Thanks Nathalie. You know I appreciate your work as much as you like mine--you do something I don't and can't, and it's a necessary something.
That’s how I feel about your work. I wish I had your courage to say what needs to be said without restraint and with your precision.
Ah, here we are. My new friend has just diagnosed me with NPD. Check the comment thread.
Does he think he’s scoring brownie points with Madonna for defending her honour?
If he's like I used to be with my idols, including her, it's about personal insecurity (I know you know this already). Celebrity mental "trauma bonds," for lack of a better word, work like believing in a fairy godmother. I had a long, obsessive head-relationship with Madonna for decades. I reacted in a dysregulated way to any criticism of her.
It's nuts, but I've done it.
That makes sense- I never thought of idolatry in that way because it’s not the god who needs the human’s protection. In Madonna’s case, criticising her is blasphemous and therefore allows your new friend to disparage you to honour her. Wow is that nuts.
Please. Such low hanging fruit. Is that the best he can do?
I have no dog 🐕 in this fight (I’m a straight 60 year old woman, not a Madonna fan, and I never use Twitter). I just respect your courage to voice your position in the ‘damn the torpedos, full speed ahead’ post that you convey so well. Madonna has been virtue signaling for so long it’s no longer credible or influential anyway. Turns out, you may be more transgressive.
I'm sorry about Madonna's state of being. As someone who grew up in the 80's, I understand the pop obsession (mine: Paula Abdul).
In the course of time, things get tainted or ruined; because of us, because of them, or because of circumstances beyond our control.
If there's something about Madonna's early years that you can treasure, hold on to it. But if not, its understandable.
She's most likely been part of the evilism occult society of Hollywood for quite some time now, with her spiritual derangement indisputable now.
At least we still have Brittany playing with butcher knives on her Instagram!
Madonna sold her soul to the demonic underworld long ago. As a young girl in the 80s I loved her look, her music, her edginess, but then she morphed into something different altogether. And continue to morph into the Adrenochrome sucking creature, we see today. Her heart is as black as her soul. How very very sad.
By the way “the dolls” specifically refers to those who were medically transed as children, and so are able to “pass”.
How long did it take you to be able to fully recover from the gaslighting of cluster b behaviour and no longer doubt yourself when in its presence?
I am looking forward to Sunday night.
Madonna exhibits one of the saddest states of a person. Irrelevant in a world she’s so desperate to be relevant in. She’s that 55 year old gay man I’d see dancing shirtless at the Roxy, desperate to “fit in.” Notice Christine W is still not trying to b a 22 year old sex kitten. Neither did Tina Turner.