The Oval Office Meltdown
episode 212, March 2, 2025
Readers and viewers, I’d like to know what you think of the main topic of this week’s show. After watching more than a two-minute clip of the hottest moments in the meeting in the oval office, what is your analysis?
Would you tell me what you think in the comments?
Has your view changed after watching more of the exchange (or best yet, the entire 50 minutes) or stayed the same?
What do you think of the strong reaction in media against Trump and Vance, and for Zelenskyy?
Tell me all about it in the comments if you please, and thanks for watching!
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My impression of the oval office incident is that Zelinsky was being a little bitch from the start. He was trying to act tough and impersonated resolve, but he just looked weak and petulant. He clearly missed the point that Trump and JD's were in control of the outcome and that they can't be played like Biden. Zelinsky confirmed that he is just a little bitch with zero diplomatic skills. More shockingly is how widespread self loathing has become among the American people. It is offensive to me how so many of our people belive it is our obligation to "save" anyone who can portray themselves as a victim and how strength and national pride are embarrassing to them. Trump is a hero and should be praised for putting that little turd in his place.
I very much appreciated your framing -- that they had already been in talks, that they'd already come to an agreement, that this press confab was supposed to be ceremonial, and therefore it was inappropriate for Zelensky to attempt to litigate it further.
Watching the exchanges in that light, it was evident that Trump and Vance had already had these very discussions with Zelensky behind closed doors, and that Trump and Vance had already told him: "you have no cards to play; take the deal."
Zelensky was Not Happy with that at all. I can't say I blame him. Whether he's acting in good faith or bad, being told by his primary benefactor to give up the fight for his country is a kick in the teeth. However, trying to start the same arguments right there in front of everyone was not appropriate. I'm not sure what he hoped would happen. Was the admin supposed to say, "you know, you're right. Let's go back and change the terms"?
As soon as it was evident that Zelensky wasn't going to let it go, maybe Trump and Vance should have refrained from responding to his arguments and shut down the event sooner than they did. But given that Zelensky was behaving in an unexpected manner, I can see how they'd not know how to act in the moment.
The strong reaction in the media was going to happen regardless of what happened. If it had all gone smoothly, they'd still have found a pretext to clutch their pearls and dial it all up to 11.
I have been baffled by the whole Ukraine thing. It's weird to me that the right is calling to end military support and the left is saying "all the munniez!" especially since Russia is involved. Back in the day, the right hated Russia, and no former KGB agent would be given the benefit of the doubt. Supporting the cause of liberty -- for anyone -- was as American as apple pie.
Is it because the left has gone all-in for Ukraine? Is it because Biden was supplying the military support, and it's almost certain there are terrible shenanigans going on? Is the right super-disillusioned after supporting the War in Iraq, which wasn't what it seemed to be?
Telling Europe to step up and take care of it is probably a good idea at this point. They've been enjoying our nuclear umbrella while spitting in our faces, and it's time for them to look out for their own interests instead of tearing down their nuclear reactors so they can become MOAR dependent on Russian gas.