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Andy Tross's avatar

You committed the unforgivable sin of noticing.

Due to changed personal circumstances, I now commute on our city's light rail system two days a week. The pitiful state of my cobalt blue city is on full display like nowhere else (not that it isn't displayed prominently everywhere else - except for the rich neighborhoods, naturally). Drug addicts with the shakes ranting and raving, narcissists listening to music and videos with no headphones, fat, smelly slobs taking up two seats, people who couldn't manage to change out of stained pajamas before going out in public, dogs taking up seats in place of humans during rush hour. The list could go on. If your reaction to such a state is NOT disgust then there's something wrong with you and you are part of the problem.

Keep it up, Josh.

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Jan's avatar

Excellent point about the need to understand and respect, and not undermine, our natural 'disgust' reaction.

In her research on 'Child Torture' Dr. Barbara Knox discovered that in EVERY case they studied a female was involved. Not always as the primary torturer, but frequently. There were NO cases which involved only male perpetrators. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213424004824

Similarly, in Munchausen's by Proxy the perpetrators are overwhelmingly female.

Then there is the whole hidden world of sexual abuse by females (sometimes but not necessarily involving proxy abuse by males), plus the whole feminist treatment of unwanted children as, basically, vermin (abortion, infanticide, organ harvesting). Also, for those in the know, many types of hoarding - both animal and 'objects' (meaning, including 'people'). https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233641473_Normalizing_Passive_Cruelty_The_Excuses_and_Justifications_of_Animal_Hoarders

What I haven't seen discussed or considered is just how large a role 'disgust' plays in all of the above 'syndromes' infliction on victims nor the degree of harm that results: in all of the above, the victims are made to feel degraded and subjugated and imbued with overwhelming self-disgust. Inescapable degradation: feces, urine, vomit, blood, infection, dirt, filth, putrefication, rot, decay, (and often cold) are frequently forced on the child to live with as a matter of routine. (The same with seniors and the disabled, and animals, btw).

Nor have I seen much discussion of this amongst 'trauma specialists', even though if you speak with trauma survivors the element of 'disgust' is MUCH more damaging than pretty much anything they go through - including pain and physical injury up to and including maiming. The feeling of pain eventually goes away with time; the feelings of self-disgust does not - at least not without compassionate help.

The worst male offenders (e.g. sex torturers) use disgust as a weapon, but female abusers use it routinely. I can't believe that the modern push in our 'cluster B world' to override our sense of disgust is an accident. Genuinely caring people help victims overcome their self-disgust by helping them clean themselves, their environments, and their relationships. Abusive people who want to perpetuate abuse teach people (victims, abusers and by-standers alike) to pretend that their sense of disgust isn't important and that living like that is a good thing (when abusers and sycophants know that isn't true). Victims also know, deep in their bones, that that isn't true but have no societal supports these days to help them admit the truth and thus escape it.

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